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Old 11-14-2012 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot
Alright so what does the new TA say about limiting 50 seaters and 76 seaters? How many are there now?
It's a fairly complicated scope section with lots of variables. If the TA was approved, & management exercised the scope clause to its full extent the fleet would look like this:

223 76 seat aircraft(jet or prop)
102 70 seat aircraft(jet or prop)
125 50 seat aircraft

450 total capped UAX aircraft
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Old 11-14-2012 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It's really no larger then the EMB175. UALs proposed scope limits airframes to 76 seats and a MGTOW of 86,000 lbs. That's equivalent to an E175/CRJ900.

The proposed scope in the UAL TA s pretty much cut & paste straight out of DALs contract.
Thanks for the clarification!
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Old 11-14-2012 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It's a fairly complicated scope section with lots of variables. If the TA was approved, & management exercised the scope clause to its full extent the fleet would look like this:

223 76 seat aircraft(jet or prop)
102 70 seat aircraft(jet or prop)
125 50 seat aircraft

450 total capped UAX aircraft
What is even more interesting is how the cap is applied to all current UAX aircraft. I show, as of May 2012, there are 533 UAX in operation.
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Old 11-14-2012 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by workingforfree
Thanks for the clarification!
You're welcome. I should have clarified that several models of the MRJ will be larger then the EMB175/CRJ900(equivalent to the EMB190), but not allowed by the weight restriction.

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What is even more interesting is how the cap is applied to all current UAX aircraft. I show, as of May 2012, there are 533 UAX in operation.
Yes. That's because the increase in 76 aircraft will require 50 seaters to be parked. As each 76 seat aircraft comes on line, a contractual amount of 50 seaters will be removed.
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Old 11-14-2012 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
You're welcome. I should have clarified that several models of the MRJ will be larger then the EMB175/CRJ900(equivalent to the EMB190), but not allowed by the weight restriction.



Yes. That's because the increase in 76 aircraft will require 50 seaters to be parked. As each 76 seat aircraft comes on line, a contractual amount of 50 seaters will be removed.
So does that mean if this TA passes that there will have to be 58 UAX airframes parked to put it under the new cap OR are they grandfathered in?
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Old 11-14-2012 | 01:21 PM
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From the United TA:

"76-seat Aircraft" means aircraft configured with more than 70 passenger seats but no more than 76 passenger seats, and certificated in the United States for 90 or fewer passenger seats and a maximum United States certificated gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.


I'm sure they can get a MRJ 90 model certificated for 90 seats. If they can't, it's 92 passenger limit is over the top.
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Old 11-14-2012 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by get there itis
From the United TA:

"76-seat Aircraft" means aircraft configured with more than 70 passenger seats but no more than 76 passenger seats, and certificated in the United States for 90 or fewer passenger seats and a maximum United States certificated gross takeoff weight of 86,000 or fewer pounds.


I'm sure they can get a MRJ 90 model certificated for 90 seats. If they can't, it's 92 passenger limit is over the top.

The MRJ 90 model will EXCEED a MGTOW of 86,000 lbs. They won't be able to fly it as a UAX aircraft. That's why they use seat and weight limits.
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Old 11-14-2012 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
So does that mean if this TA passes that there will have to be 58 UAX airframes parked to put it under the new cap OR are they grandfathered in?
It appears that way. That was the case for Delta.
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Old 11-14-2012 | 02:34 PM
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Will the MRJ run on sake?
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Old 11-14-2012 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
The MRJ 90 model will EXCEED a MGTOW of 86,000 lbs. They won't be able to fly it as a UAX aircraft. That's why they use seat and weight limits.
Good. I was looking at the MRJ70ER numbers. Looks like AA's TA restricts to 86k as well. I wonder if Hulas will have to make some changes to the order book.
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