So this new United TA gives the MRJ a home
11-12-2012, 07:29 PM
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So this new United TA gives the MRJ a home
No 76-seat aircraft until Jan. 1, 2014; current legacy United 70-seat and turboprop limits until then
- After Jan 1, 2014: Cap 70-/76-seat aircraft at 255 hulls; no more than 130 76-seat aircraft
- Q400 included in 76-seat aircraft count limits (currently no limit in legacy Continental contract)
- UAL currently has 148 70-seat aircraft and 35 Q400s
- Under United Pilot Agreement definitions, UAL currently has 183 of the 255 70/76-seat aircraft
• After Jan. 1, 2016: Cap 76-seat aircraft at 153
• Can only go above 153 76-seat aircraft if new small narrowbody aircraft added to UAL fleet and forces reduction of 70-seat aircraft from 148 to 102 cap
• Must park 50-seat aircraft if going above 153 76-seat aircraft
• Maximum UAX hard cap of 450 total hulls, from current 588
• All 76-seat aircraft downgraded to 70-seats (remove seats) if furlough
• New small narrowbody aircraft – we fly it, forces reduction in UAX block hour ratio limit and number of 50- seat aircraft
- After Jan 1, 2014: Cap 70-/76-seat aircraft at 255 hulls; no more than 130 76-seat aircraft
- Q400 included in 76-seat aircraft count limits (currently no limit in legacy Continental contract)
- UAL currently has 148 70-seat aircraft and 35 Q400s
- Under United Pilot Agreement definitions, UAL currently has 183 of the 255 70/76-seat aircraft
• After Jan. 1, 2016: Cap 76-seat aircraft at 153
• Can only go above 153 76-seat aircraft if new small narrowbody aircraft added to UAL fleet and forces reduction of 70-seat aircraft from 148 to 102 cap
• Must park 50-seat aircraft if going above 153 76-seat aircraft
• Maximum UAX hard cap of 450 total hulls, from current 588
• All 76-seat aircraft downgraded to 70-seats (remove seats) if furlough
• New small narrowbody aircraft – we fly it, forces reduction in UAX block hour ratio limit and number of 50- seat aircraft
Well, seeing that Trans States has those orders on the 50 MRJ's, plus 50 options, looks like a new breed of regional is coming. Trans States and Compass ALPA will hold a line, GoJet will offer everything for 10% less, then Hulas will create a new carrier......BroJet!
11-12-2012, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Red97Vette
Too bad the mrj has yet to fly and keeps getting delayed...
Also, this gives the MRJ till 2014 to get ready. They had projected 2013.
11-12-2012, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by atooraya
Where do you see the weight restriction?
The mrj90 in a 2 class configuration seats the same number of people as a crj900 or erj175. It is heavier and longer but its capacity is the same. My opinion is that amr and ucal will face pressure to include this aircraft in their new scope clauses simply to put pressure on crj/erj operators.
11-12-2012, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by atooraya
Where do you see the weight restriction?
Originally Posted by Phuz
Eh wait u mean this whole forum doesnt revolve around DAL? ..lol
The mrj90 in a 2 class configuration seats the same number of people as a crj900 or erj175. It is heavier and longer but its capacity is the same. My opinion is that amr and ucal will face pressure to include this aircraft in their new scope clauses simply to put pressure on crj/erj operators.
The mrj90 in a 2 class configuration seats the same number of people as a crj900 or erj175. It is heavier and longer but its capacity is the same. My opinion is that amr and ucal will face pressure to include this aircraft in their new scope clauses simply to put pressure on crj/erj operators.
I agree on the MRJ. Even the MRJ 70ER just barely squeaks under the MGTOW limit of 86,000 lbs @ 85,969 lbs. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come on line above that weight, eliminating it from being operated by regionals.
11-12-2012, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Confirmed by UAL/CAL guys.
Seems that way sometimes!
I agree on the MRJ. Even the MRJ 70ER just barely squeaks under the MGTOW limit of 86,000 lbs @ 85,969 lbs. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come on line above that weight, eliminating it from being operated by regionals.
Seems that way sometimes!
I agree on the MRJ. Even the MRJ 70ER just barely squeaks under the MGTOW limit of 86,000 lbs @ 85,969 lbs. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come on line above that weight, eliminating it from being operated by regionals.
11-12-2012, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
Well i hope your info is accurate. The number 88000 is being floated on FI. I am skeptical because it only makes sense that amr/ucal mgmt would push for maximum competition in the outsourced segment. As for the airplane itself, it sounds like it could go on a serious diet. Not only is it 6% heavier than the 175 it has 15% less range and its 14 feet longer. Somehow skywest and tsh think it is worth buying, i just dont see the advantages.
The MRJ doesn't look like a good product. Most aircraft come in heavier then planned/advertised.
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