Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1305154)

Actually, there was quite a different relationship between 9E/XJ/CZ with NWA, than DAL had with its regionals. NWA pilots were given jobs at the regionals if they wanted them. The check airman that trained me on the CRJ was a NWA furlough. We had flow backs at XJ, and Compass could have been flushed completely had NWA furloughed. I can tell you that Delta has been a very different animal to deal with since the merger between DAL/NWA. We had a much stronger relationship with mainline pilots than we do now.

Originally Posted by Kellwolf (Post 1304769)

Seeing as 9E runs the -900 and -200 as separate categories, you would be incorrect. Check out (if you've still got it) Section 24 under Equipment Freezes. FOs can't bid another category for 24 months following an award to a new aircraft. You'd be locked int the -900 for 24 months, and you wouldn't be able to upgrade for 12....unless there was street CA hiring about to happen. Change of domicile? Unrestricted. There's a difference between NO QUOTAS for FOs and no EQUIPMENT FREEZE for FOs.

Guys were bouncing from equipment to equipment after that first vacancy because equipment freezes don't count in a displacement. In a vacancy, however, they're still there.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1305190)

Actually its about the same. Pinnacle grew like a weed while mainline furloughed.

Same thing happened with ASA and DL.

Both airlines gave preferential slots for furloughs.

Now the regionals are shrinking and mainline is (about to be) growing. The two situations are completely different.

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1305315)

No disrespect or anger, but...

The mainline isn't growing enough to absorb all who will lose their jobs. Some of the young pups (who have enough years left) will reap the rewards of your efforts (and I applaud your work). But the sad fact is there will be fewer jobs overall (mainline and regionals together), and some folks will be left standing when the music stops.

We grey haired regional pilots have a tough row to hoe. Please tip your hat to us, and wish us well... because G@d knows we need it.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1305154)

Actually, there was quite a different relationship between 9E/XJ/CZ with NWA, than DAL had with its regionals. NWA pilots were given jobs at the regionals if they wanted them. The check airman that trained me on the CRJ was a NWA furlough. We had flow backs at XJ, and Compass could have been flushed completely had NWA furloughed. I can tell you that Delta has been a very different animal to deal with since the merger between DAL/NWA. We had a much stronger relationship with mainline pilots than we do now.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1305306)

I don't have the contract. I distinctly remember being told that it would have been allowed. Oh well, guess I'm glad I didn't try and hop.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 1305327)

I had certain opportunities only because another door was slammed in my face. Everything has a way of working out in the end. Keep the faith.

Originally Posted by dc10guy (Post 1305334)

Don't remember any flow backs going to XJ. Maybe some getting hired at the bottom of the list. It happen at 9e. We all were offered jobs at compass prior to recall. Only a hand full went though. At the beginning compass could have been all NWA furloughed pilots. NWA was just recalling at that time.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1305611)

Yes, most of the furloughs had no interest in going back to the regionals. However, my post relates to Johnso29's comments about how mainline pilots can't control what happens at the regionals, but based on history, especially at NWA, that is not true.

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1305315)

No disrespect or anger, but...

The mainline isn't growing enough to absorb all who will lose their jobs. Some of the young pups (who have enough years left) will reap the rewards of your efforts (and I applaud your work). But the sad fact is there will be fewer jobs overall (mainline and regionals together), and some folks will be left standing when the music stops.

We grey haired regional pilots have a tough row to hoe. Please tip your hat to us, and wish us well... because G@d knows we need it.