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swamp 12-13-2012 01:05 PM

Don't you have to actually be qualified for a flow, ie, Delta requires a 4 year degree, with no DUI's, so that would eliminate like half of pinnacle right there....I am not knocking an already beat down pilot group, as I myself are one of them, but I would have to say if not half, close to half the guys I have flown with, have no degree or have some nasty skeletons in their closet...

701EV 12-13-2012 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by xj200capt (Post 1310910)

After talking to Delta jumpseaters I'm not certain a late 40's to mid 50's capt with 10k hours plus would be welcome. In fact on more than one occasion I was told they'd rather hire a zero time person and train them up, instead of me. Have to admit its hard for me to get too excited about a flow.

Got to throw the BS flag on that one!

Way to many in that last group that got hired fit that group.

701EV

Mesabah 12-13-2012 02:22 PM

If Pinnacle survives there is almost a guarantee of a preferential hiring program like Compass has. Remember the DALPA contract requires 35% of new hires to be ALPA DCI pilots. This program would allow Delta to monitor its new future employee's and be more involved in the hiring process.

The Dominican 12-13-2012 02:53 PM

Back in 01, the NWA guys were given preferential interview, not a flow down (since there was no agreement of a flow up) but very many of them went to PCL, most of them ( if not all) made captain and enjoyed a relative good QOL while PCL was growing, in a job that was stable in a very unstable industry. Now that they are at DL, it would be nice if they put in a word for their former coworkers. Like in any pilot group, there are some guys that might not measure to step up to DL, but during my time there after 9/11 and specially during my years as a line trainer, I came across a lot of very professional and dedicated pilots within the PCL family, to those that know some of the pilots I speak off, throw a rope down so that they can climb and join you at a career position, you all know that many of them will be an asset at the big D.

johnso29 12-13-2012 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by xj200capt (Post 1310910)
After talking to Delta jumpseaters I'm not certain a late 40's to mid 50's capt with 10k hours plus would be welcome. In fact on more than one occasion I was told they'd rather hire a zero time person and train them up, instead of me. Have to admit its hard for me to get too excited about a flow.

We have a retired Fed Ex pilot who was hired in 2010, & I believe he turns 65 next year.

ShyGuy 12-13-2012 03:02 PM

This carrot was offered in June 2007.

http://www.flypinnacle.com/site/our_...incentives.pdf

In italicized and bold lettering, "New preferential pilot interview agreement with Delta."


Total Pinnacle pilots who got this so called preferntial pilot interview: 0

xj200capt 12-13-2012 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1311160)
We have a retired Fed Ex pilot who was hired in 2010, & I believe he turns 65 next year.

I'm not saying its not happening I'm just saying what I was told. Don't believe me I don't care but I had 3 guys over a period of a month tell me nearly the same bs.

As it is I don't really care.

squaretail 12-13-2012 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by 701EV (Post 1311066)
Got to throw the BS flag on that one!

Way to many in that last group that got hired fit that group.

701EV

Actually, I've heard the same as xj200capt and supposedly it was because of the guys that were hired in the last group having a hard time adapting to the SIC role, but... rumor still.

swamp 12-13-2012 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1311163)
This carrot was offered in June 2007.

http://www.flypinnacle.com/site/our_...incentives.pdf

In italicized and bold lettering, "New preferential pilot interview agreement with Delta."


Total Pinnacle pilots who got this so called preferntial pilot interview: 0

Wow, that was a good read! I think I counted 5 statements loaded with BS!

Smoking hole 12-13-2012 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by squaretail (Post 1311196)
Actually, I've heard the same as xj200capt and supposedly it was because of the guys that were hired in the last group having a hard time adapting to the SIC role, but... rumor still.

Many of these guys have only ever sat fo for about 6 months and we all get to listen to them pontificate about due paying and bull crap. Best captains/pilots from a good crm standpoint are ones that have had their experience in the right seat as a "gear slinger" as I was referred to by the #3 guy on the list.


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