So in other words, 3 a month? hahaha

 

Except the one time it's not.

 

I do not see how people do not understand your concept of the "lifer log jam" but it Shirley will mess up the program.

 

So what happens is the top 405 captains turn out to be lifers? Everyone is screwed?

 

From another board with union clarification, They take a snap shot the day of signing. You can be on eltloa and still go when your number is called up. You must have been a Captain at sometime with Pinnacle, a downgraded CA will not be jumped over by a Jr CA that took an ELOA.

 

The FOs who have to fly with them sure are.

 

The first deliveries are planned to still be in August. The in service date for the first revenue flights will be September. I don't see where the company will have any problems bring the 900 on board as scheduled. They can simply delay retirements on some of the aircraft the 737-900 are replacing by a few months. Its rumored some of the 757's are going to be staying past their planned retirement dates anyway.

 

Only if the "some of the aircraft the 737-900 are replacing" are B717 or A319 airframes.....

76-seat aircraft growth is ratioed against a "small narrow body (SNB)" as defined in the Delta PWA. Keeping an old 320 or 757 does not allow the company to begin revenue service with any additional RJ's.

 

You and I are thinking on the same page. I posted this on other thread:

Spot on. IMO, any FO who votes for this TA is doing themselves a major disservice as the ramifications of voting in the TA will follow the FOs and some of the junior captains to their next job. It is a better financial and career situation for most Pinnacle pilots except for the very senior older pilots to vote the TA down and have the company shut down. I have several reasons.

First, many FOs see the severance package as an attractive reason to vote yes. That severance package is actually your own money that will be taxed higher. If you vote no and just throw 9% of your money into a savings account every month til shut down you'll have a severance package just as good.

Next, if PNCL shuts down 81 900s will have to be placed elsewhere at a higher rate and therefore compensated better. PNCL FOs will be first in line to benefit from those jobs not only because they will be furloughed first during a wind down but also because the top 400 or so at PNCL who are older and haven't been an FO in decades will likely either retire, switch careers or apply to majors/lcc's etc. Doubtful many will apply at another regional. Vote in the TA and those now senior to mid level captains will occupy 400 captain slots and 400 FO spots at very low pay rates for several years(Not sure how long the TA contract length is). Even with the "flow to the interview" it's still doubtful many will move on.

Lastly a wind down of PNCL will cause several other regionals not in bankruptcy to grow quite quickly. 41 900s and many 200s(at least until the 717 fleet starts reaching a significant size) will go to a regional not in bankruptcy very quickly, then another 40 firm to potentially 70 900s in the long run. Skywest, XJT, Air Wisconsin and GoJet is all that is left to operate these aircraft. Each would have to hire so many so quickly first year pay would likely be thrown out. Vote the contract in and Not only would FOs be furloughed anyway, there would be at at least 800ish jobs less to go to as they would be occupied mostly by pilots who have been at PNCL 10 years+ locked in at payrates other regionals pay their junior capts,FOs.

PNCL FOs and very junior captains, dont vote yes and give yourself a significant paycut to get furloughed anyway and paid a portion of your own money as you exit. Don't vote yes and dampen your own career prospects to save the job of only the very senior who will be paid as junior pilots while hindering your own pay at your next job if it be another regional.

Just vote no and save yourself in the long run.

Good luck with your decision

 

That has no bearing on RJ deliveries. RJ deliveries are keyed off of the small narrowbody deliveries.