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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1314753)
All legacies make more than VX, except US Air pilots who made numb decisions to get stuck under LOA 93. VX didn't undercut the legacies when it started, the legacies were already all in post-bankruptcy era contracts when management set VX rates. Today, all those legacies have improved their pay into a much better position than the post 9/11 contracts, and much better than VX. VX didn't hinder UAL, CAL, nor Delta. US Air is the only one, but they have their own internal issues that caused their current LOA 93 predicament.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1314753)
All legacies make more than VX, except US Air pilots who made numb decisions to get stuck under LOA 93. When VX started, the legacies were already all in post-bankruptcy era contracts when management set VX rates. That was the landscape the industry was in, post 9/11, high oil and a recession. Today, all those legacies have improved their pay into a much better position than the post 9/11 contracts, and much better than VX. VX didn't hinder UAL, CAL, nor Delta. US Air is the only one, but they have their own internal issues that caused their current LOA 93 predicament.
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It will be ironic if Delta has a "flow through" part to this deal. Nothing like treating an employee much worse than they deserve at at regional airline, getting them mad, cynical and ready for payback, then welcoming them on to a 64 to 370 million dollar piece of equipment and handing them the throttles to burn $35,000 worth of fuel in the first hour. (not that it is easy for an FO to blow off a flight plan on a wide body ... just saying that the airplane will do .92 if you shove them up there)
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Honestly, I don't have VX's initial payrates or QOL package. I only have the latest one. I don't know what it was in 2007 or 2008.
But this is a sidestep. VX's size is too small to make a negotiating imprint on a carrier the size of Delta, United, Continental, American. Delta, United, and Continental got a new pilot contract with wages far higher than any other airline, and they did it without having management saying "look at VX, they have 52 airplanes, and they are flying it for XX." United pilots got management to agree that a 12 yr A320 captain should be getting $197/hr this year. The same cannot be said for Pinnacle's predicament. Pinnacle is right now the same order, the same size, as other regionals like Skywest, ASA, Republic, Eagle, ExpressJet. All those airlines are now or will soon be in section 6 negotiations. What happens with Pinnacle now will definitely setup the industry landscape for future regional operations. It will definitely set up the landscape for DCI regionals, there's no doubt. Delta is dealing with Pinnacle personally, and once this is set and if it passes, then Delta will use this against all other regionals in the DCI portfolio. |
I'm not going to contaminate the poll with my vote, but y'all know where I stand on this.
Delta and Comair pilots have been here many times before and it always ends the same... Delta wins. |
Shyguy........ DANGER ZONE!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1314750)
What do you mean read the TA? It's a concessionary contract.
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When is the TA going to be available?
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Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 1314967)
since you have it can you please post it on here for the rest of us to see? For all we know the only changes could be a 12 year CA scale and a 10 year FO scale with CA's taking a cut and FO's getting a slight raise as a bone.
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