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vilcas 12-21-2012 04:30 PM

If you need to MAN UP or SHOW SOME PRIDE or any other catch phrase the author usually doesn't have a logical argument to follow. They are appealing to the emotional part of you. This decision should be one based on careful evaluation of the facts with a reasonable guesstimate of your future situation based on future and past indicators. I cant stress enough that voting yes doesn't mean 1500 pilots will be furloughed. That would mean 0 attrition and no change in the rest rules.

Will 12-21-2012 04:32 PM

80 knots you don't have a dog in this fight so please mind your manners and leave.

Mesabah 12-21-2012 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1316660)
80 knots you don't have a dog in this fight so please mind your manners and leave.

Of course he does, look at the bridge agreement. I hope 80kts is on the hiring board.

lolwut 12-21-2012 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1316662)
Of course he does, look at the bridge agreement. I hope 80kts is on the hiring board.

LOL wouldnt that be funny

vilcas 12-21-2012 04:40 PM

This new contract will most definitely be used as the new ruler to measure the competitions cost structure. This is where Delta will take things and they can because any Regional that fights against it will see their flying not renewed.

80ktsClamp 12-21-2012 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1316656)
Why would we be wound down at those rates, this TA solves the longevity problem and undercuts every other regional. If anything we will be used as whipsaw bait.

You'll be wholly owned at the end of this, right?

I can't see how anyone is even beginning to think about voting yes for this.

80ktsClamp 12-21-2012 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1316662)
Of course he does, look at the bridge agreement. I hope 80kts is on the hiring board.

Oh man... that would not be pretty with some of the real crazies that I flew with show up in the interviews.

TeddyKGB 12-21-2012 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1316547)
FO and CA proposed wages top out at rates worse than GoJets. And the flow favors only a select group of qualified pilots. Any 9E FO will not be flowing for a loooooong time. How do you consider upgrading to Captain as required per the flow when the fleet is dwindling down to 81 planes?

The Delta interview flow, for all practical purposes, is absolutely useless to any current 9E FO who has never held a captain seat.

I bet those junior FO's make it to Delta before you ever do. :eek:

vilcas 12-21-2012 04:56 PM

I can't think of one advantage to vote NO. People keep talking about he emotional reasons to vote NO I am still waiting for a compelling reason. Even if you are the last guy on the seniority list YES with money in your pocket on the way out the door seems better than not getting that money especially since your pay rates are changing much anyway.

Mesabah 12-21-2012 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1316673)
You'll be wholly owned at the end of this, right?

I can't see how anyone is even beginning to think about voting yes for this.

Unfortunately, there are already regionals working under a TA like this, we are being asked to meet them. I don't see anyway around that, we are contract labor, you either meet what others are offering or go out of business. Money we are not making, is money mainline is making.

The only way to fix this is to have mainline pilots take back scope, that is the only way to have pricing power.


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