2 years pass benefits, at what priority?

And is it correct that its only 1 month pay/bennies if your furlough comes in 2014?

Max pay tops out at 87/38 (ca/fo), but do downgrades start over at year 1 CA when they re-upgrade as rumored prior?

Sounds like one expensive interview.

Personal vendetta much, 1067?

Delta took back a bunch of scope and this is still happening. As long as kids are lining up to fill the classes, the regionals will always pay low wages. Another way to fix this is for pilots to not take regional jobs and then and only then the wages might go up.

Not at all Clamp. This guy has been spouting off and taking down of his former co workers while at the same time we all know who he is. I'd just be surprised to see him get on at Delta. I don't know him so I have nothing personal against him. I just think he is one of the bigger tools out there who take every opportunity to lurk and remind his former 9E Brothers how stupid he thinks they are for still being 9E pilots.

I agree, deliberately sabotaging this TA by voting no, will in effect hurt many thousands of people in this company. This is a very tough and difficult situation we find ourselves in. Most of the people that want this Company to burn down doesn't even work here!!
I guess what I'm trying to say is, are you going to hurt other people in this company just so you can "stick it to the man". Who by the way doesn't, nor has he ever, given a hoot about you or your family.
They will do just fine with their golden parachute. How about you?
Can you say the same? The attitude, " that I'm voting no cause I didn't get my way and screw everyone else" is so selfish I don't know where to begin. I'm glad you weren't with me in Afghanistan with that kind of attitude. You talk about being dealt a crap sandwich. Go there, and when and if you come back tell me how bad you got it then. I promise you, your perspective on life will change dramatically.
Pride comes before the fall.
Rant over. Peace.

Some scope was taken back, but DCI will still have 400 or so airplanes when all is said and done. That's not enough to have an effect on regional wages. Had we been able to get the 900 back at mainline, then that would have gotten closer to a critical mass.

Consider this for a moment:

Delta WANTS to hire everyone eligible for the SSP (Streamlined Selection Process).

Why?

For there to be a SSP, the TA must pass. Presumably the folks most likely to vote for the TA would be eligible for SSP. So, Delta hires the SSP folks insuring the most junior (and most vulnerable to furlough) pilots have a track record of accepting concessionary agreements.

The next time Delta negotiates a contract, management rattles the fear saber a little harder knowing these SSP are more likely to knuckle under. Management will have greater confidence in negotiations, and will be less willing to compromise. So, either it takes longer to ratify a new contract (saving money as pilots work under old pay rates), or the new compensation package is smaller.



You know, this may be the first time I have ever said, "Wow, management, that's brilliant."

I never blamed it on mainline when I was at the regionals and I don't now either. It's an easy scape goat to say it's up to mainline to fix it. I say pilots shouldn't get into an industry that has become so cut throat in racing to the bottom. No one complained about the wages when we entered the industry and the pay was no where close to as high as it is now. It's about as invalid as a chicken or the egg debate to say that "only mainline pilots" can fix the mess that has become the regional airline. I wouldn't pursue the career if I was just starting out. Problem is there are still tons of pilots schools with SJS students who can't wait to fly the mighty RJ's. I say that is the problem.

Somewhat true, but even more people are lining up to work at Delta then at a regional, and Delta has decent rates. Actually, if the union allowed it, people would probably outright buy Delta seniority numbers. The reason you have regional flying is so legacy airlines are NOT competing with each other over qualified applicants. If everyone quit working at the regionals you would see ab initio programs or the like spring up; Anything to create a pool of applicants to draw from.

Salaries only get big at the majors when they have to attract pilots from other well paying careers. This is where the true savings of regionals come from.

Delta1067, I've just talked about the merits of this TA and how there isn't much incentive for a lot of guys to pass this. I don't think anyone is stupid, people have been trying to get out of 9E for quite some time now. This topic is about the merits of a TA.