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B00sted 12-21-2012 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1316589)
Until a FO goes to another regional, only to hear them say they have to match the new Pinnacle wages or risk losing aircraft, which will be the next Delta threat in the DCI war games.

Wait a minute...Speaking of wages...Aren't you flying 119-149 passengers around for $44 an hour?

Furthermore, if you want to do the math. You know that Delta DCI is all about average pay rates right? So lets say Pinnacle shuts down, whats the average DCI carrier pilot pay? Now, add Pinnacle back in with the current TA rates. What do you come up with?

You'll see that average rate without Pinnacle the DCI rate is LOWER than the average DCI rate WITH Pinnacle's current TA rates.

Do you see where this is going? Either way its a lose lose situation for other DCI's. Its worse for other DCI's if Pinnacle didn't exist.

Kellwolf 12-21-2012 03:00 PM

Based on what I've read, if I were still at 9E, I'd be voting "no." I'd be one of the ones that "had" been a CA, so I'd be okay on the flow/interview/whatever. I'd be looking at downgrade next year to an FO payrate and a commute that would have me making less and spending less time at home than working as a ride operator at Disney would. Then I'd be furloughed about a year later and only get a month of "severance" for my trouble.

Yeah, no thanks. Glad I'm out.

vilcas 12-21-2012 03:03 PM

Foolish Pride? How about logical thinking. Delta is in the business of making money if they wanted to pay you what you "DESERVE" they would fly the RJ's by Delta Pilots. If you really wanted to show how PROUD you are, you should also quit your jobs at the Regional Airlines and only work for the MAJOR airlines out there that don't offer the B Scale. All this talk of shutting Pinnacle Down hurts only labor. You think upper management is worried. Not one bit they will go elsewhere and unlike the pilots will not start at the bottom. This is a terrible position Pinnacle Pilots are in but its the reality of the industry.

B00sted 12-21-2012 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Kellwolf (Post 1316600)
Based on what I've read, if I were still at 9E, I'd be voting "no." I'd be one of the ones that "had" been a CA, so I'd be okay on the flow/interview/whatever. I'd be looking at downgrade next year to an FO payrate and a commute that would have me making less and spending less time at home than working as a ride operator at Disney would. Then I'd be furloughed about a year later and only get a month of "severance" for my trouble.

Yeah, no thanks. Glad I'm out.

Good thing your voting based on things you've read on the internet!

You aren't dating that french super model are you? The one you met on the internet? :D

Will 12-21-2012 03:06 PM

Kellwolf you are not here so ****. Easy comment to write when you don't work here.

Kellwolf 12-21-2012 03:12 PM

Still have tons of friends over there, so I'm paying attention. I'm only a month removed, guys. If you don't like my opinion, that's cool. Awesome thing about the internet, though. Everyone gets to have one.

ShyGuy 12-21-2012 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by B00sted (Post 1316598)
Wait a minute...Speaking of wages...Aren't you flying 119-149 passengers around for $44 an hour?

First year pay does suck, no denying that.

Spirit - $38.50/hr

American - 35

Hawaiian - 36

US Air - 42

Allegiant - 41

But the war is never really waged on first year wages, those are usually the first things sold out in negotiations.

IBPilot 12-21-2012 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Kellwolf (Post 1316600)
Based on what I've read, if I were still at 9E, I'd be voting "no." I'd be one of the ones that "had" been a CA, so I'd be okay on the flow/interview/whatever. I'd be looking at downgrade next year to an FO payrate and a commute that would have me making less and spending less time at home than working as a ride operator at Disney would. Then I'd be furloughed about a year later and only get a month of "severance" for my trouble.

Yeah, no thanks. Glad I'm out.

Well we have found the next ShyGuy....move along already...we don't tell you what we would do if we were at Blue.

IBPilot 12-21-2012 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1316602)
Foolish Pride? How about logical thinking. Delta is in the business of making money if they wanted to pay you what you "DESERVE" they would fly the RJ's by Delta Pilots. If you really wanted to show how PROUD you are, you should also quit your jobs at the Regional Airlines and only work for the MAJOR airlines out there that don't offer the B Scale. All this talk of shutting Pinnacle Down hurts only labor. You think upper management is worried. Not one bit they will go elsewhere and unlike the pilots will not start at the bottom. This is a terrible position Pinnacle Pilots are in but its the reality of the industry.


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ShyGuy 12-21-2012 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1316612)
Well we have found the next ShyGuy....move along already...we don't tell you what we would do if we were at Blue.

Here's who won't go away, arbitrator Bloch:

setting forth by the appropriate Association parties of an expedited process to obtain direction from Arbitrator Richard I. Bloch on the application of his award to the circumstances at Pinnacle in which CRJ-900 aircraft are being removed and added to the fleet and all CRJ-200 aircraft are being removed from the fleet. This process must request Arbitrator Bloch issue direction within 30 days following ratification of the collective bargaining agreement,


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