I too don't have to see the TA to know I am voting NO. It will be taking money out of my pocket and lessen my quality of life. I refuse to allow management to put more downward pressure on this industry. A guranteed number at Delta or a very generous flight benefit package are the only two things that could change my mind.

Time and again companies have tried to wiggle out of so called "flow" arrangements, very rarely do they even attempt to honor these agreements.

The only exception is if the language contains a consequence for not honoring the agreement. Make sure you get that.

Probably cause he hasn't seen it. It's no better than someone saying they are a yes vote without seeing it.

Keep in mind when counting on the flow to move things along that Delta has announced no intentions of hiring in 2013.

That can change at any minute, but don't count on that to assist in attrition.

80 kts

Im referring to any hiring thats going on. Usair, spirit and other regional like airlines or international. We have gone from 3000 to under 2400 in less than a year. However depending on whats in the TA some may stay longer.

Semantics man. They aren't going to actually ramp up to hire. Like call retired 777 guys in to ask fun questions to men and women wearing red ties.

So they have no intention of hiring, but maybe they'll do some flowing.

Hmmmm - spread the rumour. (Sic)

Flowing is coupled with hiring, FWIW.

When the last furlough bypass recalls go out, that will be the sign things are about to move.

True... but the TA is worded to make people think that the flow will prevent furloughs.

Is the language out there?

I figured they would hold on until next week. Makes more sense to try to pull this while most anyone with any authority is out of the office.

I should have said that the latest memo promoting the TA is worded to make you think that.

We have'nt seen the TA yet..

PNCL FURLOUGH'S: survival, food stamps, etc
 

Someone in MSP give us details. There is a road show going on there right now.

I don't believe that Delta will shut down Pinnacle—not over night. Delta may benefit from removing CRJ200s, but how would Delta replace the capacity short-term? GoJets could barely handle taking on ASA's old aircraft.

I wish you folk's at Pinnacle the best.

You don't see how? Simple, just like they shut down ComAir. They rebooked passengers on other flights.

Be very careful, if a no vote is given and Delta (now very ****ed off) closes this puppy down. I would not put it against them to never hire any one of us until hell freezes over. Think I'm kiddin? Delta holds grudges with the best of them, just ask Comair. Just sayin...

No matter what happens, 9E could never hold a candle to the hatred that Comair got from DL. Their pilot group screwed both the DL pilots and DL.

If the TA needs to be voted down, vote it down. 60% or more of the pilots at 9E won't be employed by 9E by 2015 regardless of the vote.

You don't know that for sure. When hiring starts again it will go like gangbusters with both The ATP rule and Rest rules taking effect, you need to have a seat as long as possible to get those hours, so you can move on. Furloughs if they happen will be offset by massive hiring. If you vote it down you won't be getting those hours in the unemployment line. I truly believe that any furloughs will be quickly offset by big hiring later in 2013. Regionals will in effect shrink due to attrition. 9E will then be in a position to maximize their lift with larger 900's in an efficient manner provided they still exist!! Anderson is not stupid, they saw this coming a long time ago.

So, is it true? A guaranteed one-day interview for all pilots? And just how do they figure all 2,400 pilots doing it in 5 years at a rate of 12 per month? That's at best 750-800 pilots. Not to mention, the Compass pilots are guaranteed slots in newhire classes at Delta, and no Delta hiring in 2013.

Sounds like a pipe dream carrot, and not even a good one at that.

Check email. Language and guaranteed interview criteria avail.

Perhaps the required # increases each year?

Even so, the known Delta retirement numbers (and aircraft retirements + deliveries) are known for the next 5 years. It's nowhere close to 2,400 pilots (and not even including the Compass guarantee flows).

The numbers just don't add up.

Please explain. I have heard nothing yet. What about 5 years?

A 1 day interview doesn't guarantee me a thing.

Numbers do add up for a 800 pilot airline. Last I heard, we will end up being an 800 pilot airline once all the 200s are gone :(

Numbers are good, just not for everybody it seems... I have a bad feeling that flow deal is not even worth the paper it's written on...

Like its been said, if ur number is 800 or greater, u won't come up for flow until well after year 5, it seems...

I just had a call from a friend and that's what he said he had read. He was unable to to make it to a roadshow. He doesn't have a copy of the TA yet.

Pinnacle will be wholly owned by Delta if the TA passes.

Yikes........

You guys continue to crack me up. You're like whiny schoolgirls. What, praytell, did the pilot group do to DL pilots?

I'll be on here til hell freezes over pointing out what you don't seem to understand. One man's simple little memo which has no force in and of itself and you call it the pilot group screwing you. Grow up!

Haha, then they shut you down before any interviews even start. You guys are so gullible.

Ding, ding, ding.

So the TA is out. FOs can't even flow, you need to be a Captain. How do they expect FOs to pass this?

I'm guessing Delta management doesn't need it to pass. What do they have to lose by putting it out there?

Captains as of now or what a pilot can hold with the upcoming many displacements?

All pilots on the list are eligible, but you have to hold a CA position when your time comes to flow. So it's not just CA's now, and the vocal NO no matter what voters are trying to spin it.

FO and CA proposed wages top out at rates worse than GoJets. And the flow favors only a select group of qualified pilots. Any 9E FO will not be flowing for a loooooong time. How do you consider upgrading to Captain as required per the flow when the fleet is dwindling down to 81 planes?

The Delta interview flow, for all practical purposes, is absolutely useless to any current 9E FO who has never held a captain seat.

What flow??? Oh you mean the flow to the INTERVIEW....what a joke

uhhh because FO's will upgrade as captains flow/leave and become eligible? I think Delta wants a little PIC time and training events under the belt. Plus it's not a true flow.

Haven't seen the language but what's interesting is if you have to hold CA or be currently holding left seat, that also would put more than just the FOs out. Many current CAs will eventually be downgraded to FO so wouldn't that mean they are out of luck as well?
You need to look at this very carefully especially given the fact that there is no major hiring going on right now. DL seems to be shrinking, if anything.

Hey Shy, how much you want to bet VA folds before 9E?

Its not a straight flow. You don't NEED to be a Captain the wording is 'HAD' been a CA.

It's an interview slot based on seniority (8 a month) then Delta can choose 4 a month out of seniority, for a total of 12. Anyone who is currently a Captain qualifies.

This will cause good movement on the CA side of the list, creating the opportunities for FO to upgrade.

They will fold. Look who their CFO is....

Hint: Its the same chump who put Pinnacle into bankruptcy.