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Originally Posted by Bartok
(Post 1324603)
And this is the crux of the entire problem.
Anyone who gets the beat down because of unfair law and management practices is expected to take the sacrificial fall to better the others in the industry. If we had a real union organization, all of our union brothers from other airlines would be coming to OUR aid and not allow management to treat us in this manner. As it is, we are expected to fall on the sword for them. |
Originally Posted by vilcas
(Post 1324673)
I will say this simply. I realize this is not what you want to hear but the whole reason to outsource is to save money. Cheap carriers will get more business than expensive ones. If you think that because you have a lot of responsibility in the job you are supposed to be doing and that translates into a good salary, well thats not the way salaries work. Teachers provide an invaluable service and they are not paid very well for it. I think that pay for first officers is criminal. The only way that will change is if no one takes the job at that level of pay. My point with Comair versus Pinnacle is that the pilot group at Pinnacle has not had the same problems with their mainline counterparts. I am basing this on hearsay and anecdotal evidence. The only reason I bring this up is because people think that Pinnacle is dead because Delta is acquiring them.
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If pilots would not accept jobs at unacceptable wages the wages would go up. The problem is that if you as an individual refuse to take the job someone else will. So the wages stay low. I am not saying you should work for a company that doesn't pay you well. I am advocating quitting and if everyone quits they will change.
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Originally Posted by vilcas
(Post 1324856)
If pilots would not accept jobs at unacceptable wages the wages would go up. The problem is that if you as an individual refuse to take the job someone else will. So the wages stay low. I am not saying you should work for a company that doesn't pay you well. I am advocating quitting and if everyone quits they will change.
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
(Post 1324852)
So the only reason why you say Comair pilots have bad attitudes and poor performance is because someone else told you that? Does your mom still cut up your food for you too?
At a job fair I attended this past fall everyone in line in front of and behind me were ex Comair. The level of maturity and professionalism I saw was above anything I could have imagined. The guys and gals I was in line with were 10-15 and 20 year plus employees that were getting furloughed and thier attitudes were head and shoulders above a lot of attitudes I've seen and heard over the years in crew rooms and riding jumpseats of every airline from the biggest frieght company to the smallest regional. Not trying to harsh on anyone else by any means, just saying, from what I saw, they were a class act. |
A Thank You from all of us from OH.
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I see I need to change my position from deadhead.
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Pinnacle is not Comair that is the point. I am sure Comair was full of great pilots. I am not saying that they were not. I only was pointing out that the dynamic between Delta and Pinnacle is different than between Delta and Comair however imagined it maybe have been.
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Originally Posted by vilcas
(Post 1324918)
Pinnacle is not Comair that is the point. I am sure Comair was full of great pilots. I am not saying that they were not. I only was pointing out that the dynamic between Delta and Pinnacle is different than between Delta and Comair however imagined it maybe have been.
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Originally Posted by Slats
(Post 1324857)
Well, I do believe 9E has a vote regarding this very fact.... Lets see what happens.
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