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Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1325256)

The majors will be hiring over the next couple of years and then the hiring will be going up year over year for 10 years. People keep thinking that 65% will furloughed. That would never be the case since they are keeping about 1100 pilots to fly 81 CRJ900's. The remaining 1300 pilots would only be furloughed if there was 0 movement between Aug 2013-2015 (Time frame for wind down). This is not likely. Whats more likely is that between now and 2015, 1500 pilots will leave. Will the movement be from the top, probably not most will be from the middle and probably from the bottom. The fact is that this TA not passing will speed up the 200's leaving and the 900's will leave. This will ensure that sometime in 2014 everyone is gone and that will guarantee that probably as many as 70% of the group will get furloughed. Take a deep breath and vote logically not emotionally.

As I think through and try to figure out possible scenarios varying from the absolute worst to the absolute best case scenario...I keep coming back to something like this if the TA passes...I am sorry SHYGUY, but you are out of touch with what is going on, or what is about to happen in the industry..there are some places hiring at a pretty good rate right now..spirit and us air are hiring at a pretty good rate and expect to ramp that up!

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Originally Posted by whoareyou311 (Post 1325334)

Are they hiring 1500 this year? Opps, forgot about the Comair folks. Are they hiring about 2500 this year? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by whoareyou311 (Post 1325334)

Are they hiring 1500 this year? Opps, forgot about the Comair folks. Are they hiring about 2500 this year? :rolleyes:

That is why I posted what I did.
Comair, Southern, Pinnacle, evergreen ,North American, World etc etc are all furloughing.
Us Air and Spirit hiring are not even going to come close to fixing this problem.
Look many guys are trying to find the light at the end of the tunnel and trying to make this Pinnacle situation better in their heads.
Shy is not out of touch with reality in this case. He's giving you one side of what could very well happen, and then other guys are saying he's out of touch he's not in this case.
I'm voting no not to STFD, I'm voting no because this TA is crap and its not right. How much of a pay it did Spandex take? Oh he got a raise, but a 41$ FO has to take a cut is pure BS.

Hopefully the Spanjers regime goes away after all is said and done. They are not in the sense managers who can grow an airline. Was worse with Foley when he was at the helm. Steered us right over the cliff.

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Originally Posted by BillyBaroo (Post 1325587)

We were told at the union road show that once we are out of bankruptcy we will be a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta. Spanjers and company will be replaced with Delta managers.

Those airlines you mentioned that are furloughing are not very big. If you vote no to the TA you will achieve one thing, helping delta save money by transferring flying to an airline like Go Jets that is new enough that they offer cheap feed. You may think you deserve more pay and maybe you do but there are others willing to do it for less. Delta and company will use them and you and other like you will be forced to find work elsewhere. Some at another regional paying very little as a first year FO. I repeat THINK STRATEGICALLY.

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Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1325749)

Additionally they're getting very experianced pilots. I.E. Ex Comair pilots. That's a win win for Delta Until we are all unified together, nothings going to change.

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Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1325749)

If you vote no to the TA you will achieve one thing, helping delta save money by transferring flying to an airline like Go Jets that is new enough that they offer cheap feed.

Not if more start voting "no", and it has to start somewhere.

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1325783)

Not if more start voting "no", and it has to start somewhere.

If only it worked that way.......

At pinnacle they can't even get the pilots to wear a uniform that they are paid money to wear. Must be nice to do your job poorly and complain you are not paid more. When did North Face jackets become part of the uniform.