This is totally not the same thing at all. As a FO, you you're gonna lose your job. Regardless of what happens with the TA, a FO will not be flying 9E planes soon. And most FOs, if they stay in the industry, will be making lateral moves. Not much hiring at the LCCs/Legacies. Lateral move to another regional, and you don't need the negative affects of a concessionary TA to haunt you.

I am sorry I do not think I was clear. What I meant was that it really does not matter what I say I "Would" do if ........ Just referring to you saying you would vote no if you were here. To me it is you are not so you can not say for certain what you would do.

By the way congrats on the Virgin job. I am sick of filling out applications. I am trying to not go to another regional. Skywest contacted me about filling our a questionnaire but I do not think I will be doing that.

So much for being able to bid for flying from other majors. Who would award the flying to 9E if they are a wholly owned of Delta?

And the only regionals that will be hiring are Republic and Eagle. Skywest and ExpressJet have stopped pending this TA.

NWA with RA in charge didn't allow contractors to fly for anybody else.

Doesn't even matter if they wanted it anyway... As a wholly owned we can not bid for other flying.
I really can't believe that FOs or soon to be FOs would vote yes to this.
Are people really looking at this and what's going to happen.
Much of what Shy Guy is saying is right. 65% will be on the street and the only other airline jobs that will be available are regionals. If the AA/US merger goes through it will mean even less jobs!
So the union tells us that being current is very important in job hunting, ok that is true, but in a year from now when many are being laid off and there are no jobs available your not going to be current!
Guys wake up there is not going to be massive hiring in the next 2 years. The majors are already finding ways to get around hiring due to the new rest rules. Look around forget about the majors, look at other places like
Southern Cargo: bankrupt
Evergreen: bankrupt
World: bankrupt
North American: bankrupt
Virgin: not looking good
Miami Air: very limited hiring
Spirit: the only hope for 1000 being laid off (if your qualified)

I name these airlines because these are places an FO with decent time could apply to for a step up. If you want to keep flying it will more then likely be at another regional.

We will not be allowed to fly for anyone else which will limit our growth capabilities immensely. This is one of the factors which weighs very heavy on the way I will be voting.

The majors will be hiring over the next couple of years and then the hiring will be going up year over year for 10 years. People keep thinking that 65% will furloughed. That would never be the case since they are keeping about 1100 pilots to fly 81 CRJ900's. The remaining 1300 pilots would only be furloughed if there was 0 movement between Aug 2013-2015 (Time frame for wind down). This is not likely. Whats more likely is that between now and 2015, 1500 pilots will leave. Will the movement be from the top, probably not most will be from the middle and probably from the bottom. The fact is that this TA not passing will speed up the 200's leaving and the 900's will leave. This will ensure that sometime in 2014 everyone is gone and that will guarantee that probably as many as 70% of the group will get furloughed. Take a deep breath and vote logically not emotionally.

+1. Cool heads and clear minds prevail. As a former XJ'er, I can attest to the absolute nut kicking the CEO's of Pinnacle and Delta (both former NW of course) can lay into the pilot group. One thing I found true is to not get hyped up on the message board banter or company postings. Do your own reading on whats at stake, ask your reps for any clarification, and vote with your coconut, not emotion.

It's not the payscale. I for one can honestly say I don't even know what I make. I'd rather not know. It's more about the CBA as a whole. HOW they pay you, not how MUCH they pay you. Makes a huge difference.