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SmitteyB 01-03-2013 09:43 AM

Delta to buy Pinnacle
 
Not even in the least a surprise, but it's official- pending bankruptcy court and creditors committee approval.

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Pinnacle takes steps to emerge from bankruptcy protection
January 3, 2013






Pinnacle Airlines filed motions with the bankruptcy court Thursday seeking approval of several components of a new business plan that the airline says will allow it to emerge from bankruptcy with a competitive cost structure and as a viable airline over the long term.

As part of its new business plan, Pinnacle seeks to amend its existing debtor-in-possession financing agreement with Delta. As part of the new agreement, Delta will provide $52 million of additional liquidity to allow Pinnacle to continue its operations and to emerge from bankruptcy as a successful Delta Connection carrier.

Pinnacle also filed a restructuring support agreement setting forth the basic terms for Pinnacle’s plan of reorganization. This reorganization plan, if approved, will allow Delta to convert its financial support into ownership of Pinnacle after it emerges from bankruptcy.

Pinnacle must file a plan of reorganization acceptable to Delta and the Creditors’ Committee by Feb. 15. The plan also is subject to ratification by Pinnacle’s pilots of a revised collective bargaining agreement.
“This enhanced debtor-in-possession financing agreement is yet another step in enabling Pinnacle to achieve long-term stability and profitability, which is in the best interests of Delta’s network and customers,” said Don Bornhorst, s.v.p.–Delta Connection. “Converting Delta’s financing of Pinnacle to equity makes the most sense for both Pinnacle and Delta given Delta’s position as Pinnacle’s only customer and the fact that Delta has provided substantially all of the financing that is enabling Pinnacle to restructure its business.”

In a memo to Pinnacle employees, Pinnacle CEO John Spanjers outlined several components of the airline’s new business plan, including removal of 140 less efficient 50-seat regional jets from Pinnacle’s fleet and adding 40 fuel-efficient, two-class regional jets to be flown under the Delta Connection umbrella. All of the components of the comprehensive agreement are subject to bankruptcy court approval.

Kellwolf 01-03-2013 09:48 AM

Deja vu all over again....

What was Comair Aviation Academy's slogan? "Being owned by Delta means everything?"

Geardownflaps30 01-03-2013 09:51 AM

OMG. The kiss of death is complete. Only a matter of time now.

SKYWCRJCA 01-03-2013 09:57 AM

I hear the fat lady warming up!

Slats 01-03-2013 10:16 AM

Ouch, I know some guys at 9E think this a good sign. However, in order to shut down a company, one must own the company. Good luck guys.

rickair7777 01-03-2013 10:19 AM

Recent history has shown that wholly-owned regionals make good "capacity accumulators" because you don't have pesky long-term contracts to worry about.

CheckPower 01-03-2013 10:19 AM

Ruh Roh! :confused:

Im not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing...

johnso29 01-03-2013 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1322973)
Recent history has shown that wholly-owned regionals make good "capacity accumulators" because you don't have pesky long-term contracts to worry about.

Bingo. No CPA means no contract to comply with.

What 01-03-2013 11:02 AM

There you have it, Pinnacle is the next Comair (Delta Owned regional) :D



"We would be a separate entity, but a subsidiary of Delta,"

Under bankruptcy agreement, Pinnacle to operate as Delta subsidiary - Memphis Business Journal

n32jk 01-03-2013 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1322997)
There you have it, Pinnacle is the next Comair (Delta Owned regional) :D



"We would be a separate entity, but a subsidiary of Delta,"

Under bankruptcy agreement, Pinnacle to operate as Delta subsidiary - Memphis Business Journal

I've been through the "wholy disowned entity" scenario before....looks like it's china or japan for me now!!!

Diver Driver 01-03-2013 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by CheckPower (Post 1322974)
Ruh Roh! :confused:

Im not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing...

It's a very bad thing. At least that's been my past experience.

LoudFastRules 01-03-2013 11:35 AM

I guess Delta sure figured out how to take Mesaba's first BK concessionary contract, under which we delivered profit and good service to our previous owners, Delta Airlines, and rip it to shreds.

LoudFastRules 01-03-2013 11:35 AM

Pinnacle Airlines (and Mesaba and Colgan) RIP.

GrUpGrDn 01-03-2013 11:49 AM

Please ask yourselves this question, why would the Mother D divest itself of all regional carriers a few years ago, then cease ops for Comair, and within a matter of months acquire another regional? Only one answer I can think of.
Then again, I am not sitting in ATL front office.

Spoiler 01-03-2013 12:11 PM

Use a small operation to bully other contractors. The threat to do it in house vs outsourcing can be used against 9E or the RFP bidders.

skyxbomb 01-03-2013 01:35 PM

Acquiring a regional at the expense equivalent to 2 crj200s. Smart!

Lone Palm 01-03-2013 01:35 PM

This is what I have feared all along even though I knew it was coming. Being owned by Delta will limit our growth opportunities and stagnate career progression immensely, no bueno.

Lone Palm 01-03-2013 01:50 PM

It should also be interesting hearing Andersons comments on why they are getting back into the regional owning business when they have made it clear they want no part of it.

HIREME 01-03-2013 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Lone Palm (Post 1323100)
This is what I have feared all along even though I knew it was coming. Being owned by Delta will limit our growth opportunities and stagnate career progression immensely, no bueno.

Or, and pncl has seen this before with RA and NW, the mainline carrier strips all value from its regional partner, buys them, builds them up, and cashes out.

shimmydamp 01-03-2013 02:12 PM

If the TA passes, Delta isn't going to shutdown an airline with 12 year CA and 4 year FO payscales, meager payrates, and a 401k built to discourage lifers. They are going to use it to whipsaw the other DCI carriers.

hockeypilot44 01-03-2013 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by shimmydamp (Post 1323120)
If the TA passes, Delta isn't going to shutdown an airline with 12 year CA and 4 year FO payscales, meager payrates, and a 401k built to discourage lifers. They are going to use it to whipsaw the other DCI carriers.

Yes they will shut it down. They will use to bring everyone else's cost in line, then they will shut it down. Those that don't believe this are in denial. A few years from now, I will dig up these posts and tell you, "I told you so." It is what it is.

HIREME 01-03-2013 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1323124)
Yes they will shut it down. They will use to bring everyone else's cost in line, then they will shut it down. Those that don't believe this are in denial. A few years from now, I will dig up these posts and tell you, "I told you so." It is what it is.

There are plenty examples of being wholly owned working out for the regional partner. See compass and express1/pncl. We just can't know at this point

Past V1 01-03-2013 02:24 PM

Ahhh this sucks....

Hey Mav, do you still have the number of that truck driving school?

Lone Palm 01-03-2013 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by HIREME (Post 1323129)
There are plenty examples of being wholly owned working out for the regional partner. See compass and express1/pncl. We just can't know at this point

And plenty of examples of stagnation and extremely long upgrade times, Eagle, Piedmont, Horizon, etc....

Bucking Bar 01-03-2013 02:47 PM

In related news, Delta posted positions for new managers of subsidiary airlines flight operations, human resources, regulatory compliance, diversity, marketing, accounts payable, receivable, inflight, below wing, cargo, technology, maintence, ground service maintenance, safety, labor relations and related secretarial positions. After trying unsuccessfully to buy back the Comair HQ they just built, then shut down at a loss of 30 million, they have worked out a 18 percent loan to build a new Delta xpress tower, where regional outsourcing can be coordinated while ensuring employment for friends, family and those who want to supplement their retirement income.

There is also a manager to coordinate management among the redundant departments. This much redundancy requires a lot of coordination and meetings.

ALPA's President stated that he is glad his kids now all have jobs in airline management ....

just kidding, I think....

nightrider 01-03-2013 02:51 PM

Did everyone notice the 100 airframe reduction ? They are going to ask you to vote for a contact that puts 66% of you out of work?

****** them burn it to the ground.

shimmydamp 01-03-2013 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1323124)
Yes they will shut it down. They will use to bring everyone else's cost in line, then they will shut it down. Those that don't believe this are in denial. A few years from now, I will dig up these posts and tell you, "I told you so." It is what it is.

And then you'll ask we call you the oracle?

Other regional airlines that may not exist in 7 years... (based on the new FT/DT regs and equipment flown) Commutair, Silver, Great Lakes, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, TSA, XJT/ASA...

You aren't exactly a soothsayer when you predict the demise of a regional. There is no reason to believe being wholly owned with a cheap contract with low fixed costs is a bigger reason to shut down an airline than another. Delta could just as easily sell the airline off as has been done before.

Phuz 01-03-2013 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by HIREME (Post 1323129)
There are plenty examples of being wholly owned working out for the regional partner. See compass and express1/pncl. We just can't know at this point

Compass being wholly owned only kinda "worked out" under NWA. Once DAL took over it was a whole different regime and we were met with hostility. The only reason DAL mgmt didn't kill our flow was our ex-mgmt declined to "play ball" and NWA alpa was smart enough to include scope snap backs in their section 1 should the flow be disolved. DAL is not NWA.

Splash 01-03-2013 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1323178)
Compass being wholly owned only kinda "worked out" under NWA. Once DAL took over it was a whole different regime and we were met with hostility. The only reason DAL mgmt didn't kill our flow was our ex-mgmt declined to "play ball" and NWA alpa was smart enough to include scope snap backs in their section 1 should the flow be disolved.

The only reason the Compass flow continued after Compass was sold to TSH was because the DAL MEC chairman made it happen.

Pinnacle is being "bought" for a song. The previous owners were crooks who skimmed money while failing to perform. DAL bought it because nobody else wanted it. Without firm agreements for lift with the consolidated legacy carriers, Pinnacle wasn't an attractive package. The purchase gives DAL the opportunity to reconfigure the airline and offer it for sale with a strong lift agreement with DAL.

Pinchanickled 01-03-2013 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by nightrider (Post 1323143)
Did everyone notice the 100 airframe reduction ? They are going to ask you to vote for a contact that puts 66% of you out of work?

****** them burn it to the ground.


Nobody is really talking about the Pink Elephant in the room.


Shockingly, there's alot of pilots on here trying to justify how to vote in a paycut for themselves while eliminating their own job!!!!!!


"I agree that I need a paycut, and shortly there after, eliminate my job. It's in the best interest of my career! Delta said they will give me free travel and $hit"

Al Czervik 01-03-2013 04:53 PM

DL buys PCL. Spools them up with 20 more 900's then sells an airline that has 100 900's and cheap labor for a profit. Or simply shuts PCL down...nobody knows.

Pilotguy143 01-03-2013 05:00 PM

This sounds like Comair part II

Will 01-03-2013 05:25 PM

Why don't some of you guys from other carriers go to one of our road shows and find out what really is happening here at PCL and what is projected to happen. I guess it wouldn't be as fun spouting off facts instead of rumors on APC.

Fly782 01-03-2013 05:36 PM

Because that worked real well when Comair tried that.

Fly782 01-03-2013 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Will (Post 1323229)
Why don't some of you guys from other carriers go to one of our road shows and find out what really is happening here at PCL and what is projected to happen. I guess it wouldn't be as fun spouting off facts instead of rumors on APC.

I am sure some have

Jay5150 01-03-2013 05:44 PM

Dunno. Since you said DOH, what is the senior Pinnacle CA's DOH?

dingo222 01-03-2013 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 1323241)
Dunno. Since you said DOH, what is the senior Pinnacle CA's DOH?

don't wet your whistle because I don't care either way, but #1 starts in 81, and # 200 ends in 97. Prolly wouldn't be a big deal, especially since most ISL mergers lately are category/class instead of straight DOH.

FlyingKat 01-03-2013 06:01 PM

Delta is just formalizing what has been going on in reality since last April. Delta wants their money back. The only way to get it back is to get costs under control, clean house, put competent management in place, fix the problems there, put a long term contract in place, and sell the company to get back the money Delta has dumped into Pinnacle over the last 9 months.

Phuz 01-03-2013 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 1323197)
The only reason the Compass flow continued after Compass was sold to TSH was because the DAL MEC chairman made it happen.

Pinnacle is being "bought" for a song. The previous owners were crooks who skimmed money while failing to perform. DAL bought it because nobody else wanted it. Without firm agreements for lift with the consolidated legacy carriers, Pinnacle wasn't an attractive package. The purchase gives DAL the opportunity to reconfigure the airline and offer it for sale with a strong lift agreement with DAL.

I guess your MEC chair could have chosen to not enforce his own section 1. Good thing you sent that guy to national.

johnso29 01-03-2013 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 1323197)
The only reason the Compass flow continued after Compass was sold to TSH was because the DAL MEC chairman made it happen.

Or maybe because the DAL pilot's contact had substantial penalties for dissolving the flow back? And since Delta management signed said contract, they decided to actually comply with it? Also, I believe the concept of forced large RJ reductions as a result of flow back dissolution was in the PMNW contract.


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