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McNugent 01-13-2013 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by BE24pilot (Post 1329314)
Then you guys will have no problem negotiating a stronger contract than you currently have, regardless of the 9E contract.

Ummm no. How long have you been in this industry?

Our management has already put the brakes on negotiating because they want to see how the Pinnacle TA turns out.

Fly782 01-13-2013 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1329319)
And now your company will be the "new low" that everyone else will sight.... Unlike GoJets or Compass, you'll set the "new low" because of mismanagement thus burdening the rest of the industry... :rolleyes:

This +1, would not be surprised if they become the new black sheep ( Jumpseats etc.) to whomever's company pulls a "we need to be like Pinnacle."

Note - I have friends at 9E still, I am not saying I would do the above but we all know there are people out there who will. Especially if your at one of the airlines that will be potentially hurt by this. Most likely XJT.

N2Core 01-13-2013 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1329405)
This +1, would not be surprised if they become the new black sheep ( Jumpseats etc.) to whomever's company pulls a "we need to be like Pinnacle."

Note - I have friends at 9E still, I am not saying I would do the above but we all know there are people out there who will. Especially if your at one of the airlines that will be potentially hurt by this. Most likely XJT.

High level of douchery dude.

MunkyButtr 01-13-2013 06:20 PM

Someone should start a thread titled:

"SkyWest getting MRJ's in a few years consequences for the mainline industry"

or

"Republic flying E190s for 37 bucks consequences for Airways/JetBlue"

The maturity level of this thread is a joke.

BE24pilot 01-13-2013 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by Slats (Post 1329319)
And now your company will be the "new low" that everyone else will sight.... Unlike GoJets or Compass, you'll set the "new low" because of mismanagement thus burdening the rest of the industry... :rolleyes:


No do your research even though this contract sucks we will still not be the worst, or the lowest, and mismanagement is hardly the pilot groups fault why should they be out of a job so you can keep yours at whatever rate you have. Are you going to offer them a sport on your list that is comparable to equal pay and QOL if they fall on the sword for you.

MyMamma 01-14-2013 03:40 AM

When was the last time a regional airline pilot group voted no to pay cuts. I think it has been a long time or it's never happened. I don't think the Comair strike was over pay cuts, they wanted more improvements. Correct me if I am wrong but what I am getting at is concessions will keep coming down the pike as long as we keep voting yes on them. Management would be fools for not asking eager pilots willing to give back more and more.

Slats 01-14-2013 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by BE24pilot (Post 1329614)
No do your research even though this contract sucks we will still not be the worst, or the lowest, and mismanagement is hardly the pilot groups fault why should they be out of a job so you can keep yours at whatever rate you have. Are you going to offer them a sport on your list that is comparable to equal pay and QOL if they fall on the sword for you.

Ya'll will be operating CRJ 900s when compared to OO FOs who"ll make more than your FO top out pay at year 2. There was a comparison somewhere in this thread that pointed out this TA would pay you merely $200 more than unempyment check. All to fly a 900 and have a long shot at Delta? Everyone in this industry has a long shot at Delta. They own you, why would they have to abide by the contracts they signed (when you weren't owned)? They're going to build you up and sell you off or take 40 of those airplanes away and voila Comair x 2.
Do whatever y'all want. Just don't come bit***** at the next regional about pay. Many yes voters are just shooting themselves in the foot but are too naive to notice. That probably explains why they stuck around and not jump ship like many already have. (Referring to the bottoms 65%) that'll be out of a job either way.

Saabs 01-14-2013 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1329405)
This +1, would not be surprised if they become the new black sheep ( Jumpseats etc.) to whomever's company pulls a "we need to be like Pinnacle."

Note - I have friends at 9E still, I am not saying I would do the above but we all know there are people out there who will. Especially if your at one of the airlines that will be potentially hurt by this. Most likely XJT.

Guarantee u not a single pinnacle pilot will be denied Jumpseat. Have u even been in a Jumpseat before? Where do u come up with this?

Slats 01-14-2013 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1329750)
Guarantee u not a single pinnacle pilot will be denied Jumpseat. Have u even been in a Jumpseat before? Where do u come up with this?

I'd have to agree. I think it's very, very poor taste to deny a jumpseat to a 9E pilot. It's a bad situation they're in. I understand why a senior guy would vote yes even though I can't wrap my head around why a junior guy wouldn't vote no. Either way, it's their vote and yes it will effect everyone else but to deny/threaten jumpseat privileges is disgraceful.

Noseeums 01-14-2013 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by BE24pilot (Post 1329614)
No do your research even though this contract sucks we will still not be the worst, or the lowest, and mismanagement is hardly the pilot groups fault why should they be out of a job so you can keep yours at whatever rate you have. Are you going to offer them a sport on your list that is comparable to equal pay and QOL if they fall on the sword for you.

This is a 7 year contract. It will be the worst. Can you imagine it's the year 2020 and the best an FO can earn on a 76 jet is $40/hr?


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