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Originally Posted by NoHandHold
(Post 1328493)
Why the hell are Pinnacle pilots posting in this thread.
WE GET IT...YOU ARE VOTING THE TA IN. We are not discussing that...we are discussing the consequences of this epic failure of a contract. Some of us are seeing without the buzz of kool aid. |
you chest thumping geniuses act like Pinnacle is the first regional ever to have to vote on a concessionary contract. Why didn't you vote no on yours so WE could have gotten better rates on our last contract? Bunch of whiney hypocrites. Oh that's right...half of the whiners on here have probably been in the industry 3 years or less, riding the coattails of those who fought for better wages before them.....one group of which being the Pinnacle pilots in their no vote on TA 1 after 5 years. Weren't they the first regional to vote no to a TA if I recall correctly?
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
(Post 1328529)
you chest thumping geniuses act like Pinnacle is the first regional ever to have to vote on a concessionary contract. Why didn't you vote no on yours so WE could have gotten better rates on our last contract? Bunch of whiney hypocrites. Oh that's right...half of the whiners on here have probably been in the industry 3 years or less, riding the coattails of those who fought for better wages before them.....one group of which being the Pinnacle pilots in their no vote on TA 1 after 5 years. Weren't they the first regional to vote no to a TA if I recall correctly?
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You're in section 6, we're not. You're going to vote on a new contract, we're going to vote on a bankruptcy contract. The two should be completely separate. Your contract is to improve working conditions, ours is to save (supposedly) the company. If your negotiators are worth anything when your management comes to you and says but Pinnacle has this they should laugh and say they are in bankruptcy, it's completely different. I haven't determined which way I'm going to vote (I'm a 5th year FO) but I sure as heck am not going to vote based on how it will affect other regionals. I could care less how it will affect SkyWest, ASA/Expressjet. I have no intention of ever going to another regional, I'm going to vote on my personal financial situation.
You posters at other regionals want us to go away so you can get our planes, you don't give a thought to what we are going through so why should we care about how this will affect you and it's effect throughout the regional industry. I'm not starting over and I'm sure many of my coworkers are not starting over so I really could care less. If you want to support us then offer us jobs with our longevity, otherwise shut up, I'll take my $37/hr over $22/ hr first year followed by 30 followed by 34 and then 37. 2-3 years is a long time in this industry and ill take my chances. |
You're in section 6, we're not. You're going to vote on a new contract, we're going to vote on a bankruptcy contract. The two should be completely separate. Your contract is to improve working conditions, ours is to save (supposedly) the company. If your negotiators are worth anything when your management comes to you and says but Pinnacle has this they should laugh and say they are in bankruptcy, it's completely different. I haven't determined which way I'm going to vote (I'm a 5th year FO) but I sure as heck am not going to vote based on how it will affect other regionals. I could care less how it will affect SkyWest, ASA/Expressjet. I have no intention of ever going to another regional, I'm going to vote on my personal financial situation. You posters at other regionals want us to go away so you can get our planes, you don't give a thought to what we are going through so why should we care about how this will affect you and it's effect throughout the regional industry. I'm not starting over and I'm sure many of my coworkers are not starting over so I really could care less. If you want to support us then offer us jobs with our longevity, otherwise shut up, I'll take my $37/hr over $22/ hr first year followed by 30 followed by 34 and then 37. 2-3 years is a long time in this industry and ill take my chances. |
Originally Posted by PCLCREW
(Post 1328564)
Many of your coworkers have already left and went to other regionals and many are planning on doing the same so that logic is out the window.
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How is starting over every few years and resetting your longevity to fly the same airplane in the musical airplane shuffle not lowering the bar? I mean really, the mainline carrier will get what they want. There is no getting around it it, all you can do is vote for your own personal situation. No one will stand up for anyone else.
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I'm voting NO because recruiters at skypest and sure jet told me if pinnacle gets shut down because of a NO vote all pinnacle pilots will be guaranteed job security with longevity/pay/seniority at said carrier of choice.... You little forum worms that were picked on waaaay to much in high school need to give it a break... Pinnacle pilots don't give a rats a56 about you, or your airline, until you can give EVERY pinnacle pilot protection of retaining our longevity, pay, and DOH at your very soon to be next Comair , Mesa, Pinnacle airline, should we shut down because we vote NO like you want us... Until then, you nerds can **** off...
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Unfortunately for all of us regional guys we just do not have the leverage. Delta is just finishing their regional consolidation, United is next to bat. You can bank on the top 405 guys voting for the TA. I bet a lot of the senior FOs/Downgraded Captains will vote yes just to buy some time so they can stay current. To be honest I don't blame them at all.
The only job security is at a major airline that has a lot of upcoming retirements. The writing is on the wall and having a plan b is more important than ever. The majors went through consolidation and now it is the regionals turn. The majors will get the cost savings they want one way or the other. |
Originally Posted by IBPilot
(Post 1328529)
Weren't they the first regional to vote no to a TA if I recall correctly?
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