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Old 01-15-2013 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
Once Pinnacle furloughs most of the company, there won't be many to flow? Or does it include furloughees? How many of the senior Pinnacle Captains that will be left will be willing to move on?
All of them. Second year pay at Delta is more than Pinnacle will top out at.
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Old 01-15-2013 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DMEarc
When I was at Colgan almost everyone had a degree. Why are we acting like everyone from Pinnacle won't have a degree? My guess is less than 10% don't have a degree.
Your guess would be wrong. Pinnacle used to fill classes with all 250 hours Gulfrstream pilots with no degree. These pilots as a whole were the bottom of the barrel. More than half the Pinnacle pilots probably do not have degrees
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Old 01-15-2013 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Your guess would be wrong. Pinnacle used to fill classes with all 250 hours Gulfrstream pilots with no degree. These pilots as a whole were the bottom of the barrel. More than half the Pinnacle pilots probably do not have degrees
Like the Comair and the Delta pilots, Pinnacle pilots voted yes.

After management gets their "yes" vote, they put away the wine and roses. The honeymoon is now officially over.

It is going to be interesting to see the Air Force Academy Captains dealing with some of their new hire FO's who decided against pursuing an education beyond high school and who have absolutely no idea of how the Air Force runs a flight deck.

XJ & Co. will be amazed when the approach briefing begins 1.5 hours prior to descent (4 hours if the destination is Quito, Bogota, or Tegucigalpa ) ... not that that's a bad thing.

I might bid over to the ER just to watch the show.
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Old 01-15-2013 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MEMbrain
I heard they are grandfathered in. IOW as long as you are on the Pinnacle property on the date of the deal, you get to flow regardless of what happens to Pinnacle in the future, or whenever Delta hires again.
Unless I've missed something, there is no flow to Delta. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
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Old 01-15-2013 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bucking bar
like the comair and the delta pilots, pinnacle pilots voted yes.

After management gets their "yes" vote, they put away the wine and roses. The honeymoon is now officially over.

It is going to be interesting to see the air force academy captains dealing with some of their new hire fo's who decided against pursuing an education beyond high school and who have absolutely no idea of how the air force runs a flight deck.

xj & co. Will be amazed when the approach briefing begins 1.5 hours prior to descent (4 hours if the destination is quito, bogota, or tegucigalpa ) ... Not that that's a bad thing.

i might bid over to the er just to watch the show.
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Old 01-15-2013 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
College??? I’m all for it. One can’t be to educated.


Correct me if I’m wrong. During airline expansions during the ‘80s many airlines dropped the college requirement. Many individuals were hired without the degree during this period. I’m sure many of them have gotten their command too without a four year degree. I know of two colleagues with with the majors that don’t have maybe more than 1 month of college let alone any degrees either. Although one was a bartender at local saloon. I guess you can say he had a degree in mixicology. I think that qualifies as a degree. The performed as if he were a chemical engineer with great precision as he prepared mixed drinks with formulae of complicated and dangerous ingredients to produce such concoctions to meet society’s need.


Should they, along with their non college peers, be treated as pariahs?


Why I’m sure if the US Government thought it important enough, then Title 14 Part 61 would be amended to require a college degree to act as pilot in command of an aircraft requiring an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate.


Perhaps those who want make the club restricted, can start a petition. I personally won’t sign it. But it’s always an option for those who feel that strongly about the college issue, and vehemently want to keep, you know, those people from joining the club.


Now where did I put my cognac?
Where did you get your education?
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Old 01-15-2013 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
give it a rest copilot....if delta wants to hire a damn fine pilot....it is their choice..they own the place....i am a capt at alaska and dont even have ged.....the worst pilots I have flown with are the und wannabees....the best are just pilots....give it a rest punk.....
Did you just call 80 a punk? Please tell me you didn't just call Brother 80 a punk. Oh...it's on now! It's on "like donkey kong!"
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Old 01-15-2013 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Where did you get your education?
Is this an interview for DAL? Thanks but not interested.

Gee I bet your Mom and Dad must real be proud that you've been promoted from Scool Hall Monitor to the APC Forum Spelling/Puntuation Monotor.

Could I PM my posts, you know, as a preview so you can make corrections for grammar, spelling, content, before officially posting my thought??? could I??? Please Delta1067??

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Old 01-15-2013 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Like the Comair and the Delta pilots, Pinnacle pilots voted yes.

After management gets their "yes" vote, they put away the wine and roses. The honeymoon is now officially over.

It is going to be interesting to see the Air Force Academy Captains dealing with some of their new hire FO's who decided against pursuing an education beyond high school and who have absolutely no idea of how the Air Force runs a flight deck.

XJ & Co. will be amazed when the approach briefing begins 1.5 hours prior to descent (4 hours if the destination is Quito, Bogota, or Tegucigalpa ) ... not that that's a bad thing.

I might bid over to the ER just to watch the show.

Why do you guys wait until short final (4hrs. out) to begin the approach briefing? On the 777, we start in the briefing room, 17 hours prior to touchdown. It goes something like this:

"Man, I really need a landing, I haven't had one in 6 weeks and I expire next week. So...what's the weather doing over there? And which runway will they be using, and what arrival should we use and...has anyone been in there before? Nobody? Sh!t..."

So you spend the last 3 hours loading the FMS, memorizing the taxi diagram, and the arrival fixes, and then briefing it up...and then in the final 10 minutes, they switch runways, and arrivals, and oh yeah, they are screaming descent clearances at you in Chinese, but fast, and the altimitry is in meters, and you have to use a converter paper, and you've been up all night because it was too rough to sleep on your breaks. Other than that, there's nothing to it.

Now, if we are coming into ATL on the other hand, it's more like, "Wake me up at the marker, and then put the gear down."
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Old 01-15-2013 | 08:12 AM
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Oh crap, know were going too grade each others' posts?
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