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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 1331763)

I don't have such a burning desire to fly an airplane that I would subject myself the the wages Pinnacle just voted in. I would rather watch my airline burn. I plan on getting out of the industry and maybe flight instruction part time for fun if we get Pinnacled. I find it sad most of you voted to come sit short call reserve for less than I made flight instructing. Delta isn't hiring this year. There is a excellent track record of flow throughs not working out. I think between Compass and Pinnacle there will be way more promises tan jobs for a long time even if Delta doesn't back out on their promises.

Congratulations on being such cheap *****s. To the Pinnacle guys who voted no, I'm truly sorry you are surrounded by weaklings.

You can NOT say this with certainty. You simply can't until you've experienced the same situation.

NOW they want to give negotiating a try? The ASA MEC has shot down every possible resolution to our Pbs debacle. Maybe they want to sit in on the negotiations to see how give and take works.

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Just read your newest comm.

JCBA negotiations are on hold as all three parties take stock of their current positions. The new equipment process has no connection to JCBA negotiations. Any terms and conditions reached will only apply to Contract 2004. When a decision is made to return to the table and resume JCBA negotiations, we will redirect appropriate focus to the JCBA. Until that time, our primary focus will be completing the terms and conditions for new equipment.

I wanted to know why our negotiating committee wasn't meeting with the XJT guys and company. Turns out, the ASA MEC wants to to keep meeting but your side is more interested is getting a whipsaw going between our two carriers. How can your MEC actually believe that whatever comes out of this will not affect the joint contract? Would have made much more sense to have both groups in there to get a new 70 seat rate and have it become retroactive than to start this whipsaw BS. We need to be united and come out with one voice on what that rate will be instead of entertaining this obvious ruse by the company to divide us even more.
Unbelieveable.

This is directly caused by the ASA MEC giving management their "flight line or no merger" ultimatum. You want unity? Tell your MEC to drop their ultimatum and get on board with smartpref in order to continue back on joint negotiations.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1331887)

You can NOT say this with certainty. You simply can't until you've experienced the same situation.

Actually, I can. I consider what I make now to barely be worth showing up to work for. My biggest justification for staying is the free international business travel. If I knew I had a pay cut and a furlough right around the corner I would say let it burn. There are other things I could do while making as much money or more and be home every night.

This industry gets less and less desirable by the day.

100% burn it down if they try a pay cut. I'll leave the industry before I help bring it down any further than it already has gone.

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1332004)

We support our MEC and we support Flightline...I'm OK with just staying separate and so should you since you are working on plan B and C...Don't worry about it...

We both get to keep the systems we like this way...

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1332004)

So you are telling me that you want a PBS system that is globalized and doesn't hold to seniority 100% where as flight line does hold to seniority? You are the same person who, if we do say, "fine, lets take smartpref" will complain and say "this PBS is horrible and we never should have given up line bidding" because a globalized system is horrible! All of us will hate PBS if it is globalized!

P.S. The bidding software and line vs PBS is only just a piece of the entire pie of why our unions are having problems getting along.

How is it that paper bid vs PBS is the biggest issue for the ASA/XJT MECs? There are far bigger issues to worry about.

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1332096)

How is it that paper bid vs PBS is the biggest issue for the ASA/XJT MECs? There are far bigger issues to worry about.

That's what this forum portrays is the largest issue, but it's not. It's only a small issue, there are other items the 2 MEC's couldn't be farther apart on, most center around $.