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ShyGuy 02-04-2013 06:09 PM


This Delta management "team" will make "Pinnacle" healthy again.
Ask yourself this, why? What do they stand to gain by having topped out 4th year FOs and topped out 12 yr CAs? If another regional airline like GoJets can do it cheaper, why make "Pinnacle" healthy again? Pinnacle was a 200+ aircraft operation after the mergers, and now the end plan is only 81 airplanes. There is nothing healthy about that. In fact, the healthiest thing for Delta to do would be to pull this all over again as a wholly owned carrier. 9E, take these paycuts, or we wind you down. What's to stop that threat from coming?

Ftrooppilot 02-04-2013 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1346010)
Pinnacle was a 200+ aircraft operation after the mergers, and now the end plan is only 81 airplanes. There is nothing healthy about that. ?

Delta didn't kill Pinnacle; Pinnacle killed Pinnacle. Delta is picking up the pieces of what's left and will build it up again . IMHO - way beyond 81 airplanes.

johnso29 02-04-2013 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 1346012)
Delta didn't kill Pinnacle; Pinnacle killed Pinnacle. Delta is picking up the pieces of what's left and will build it up again . IMHO - way beyond 81 airplanes.

I think you're correct. Delta management has created a solid way to drop their DCI costs to rock bottom prices. In 2015 Delta will be allowed to require Skywest Inc to drop their DCI cost to just above Pinnacle. That includes the flying done by Skywest & ExpressJet. Pinnacle has become very valuable to Delta.

80ktsClamp 02-04-2013 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 1346012)
Delta didn't kill Pinnacle; Pinnacle killed Pinnacle. Delta is picking up the pieces of what's left and will build it up again . IMHO - way beyond 81 airplanes.

I'm curious why you have such an interest in 9E?

Ftrooppilot 02-04-2013 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1346016)
I'm curious why you have such an interest in 9E?

It's a study in airline "trauma." Airline Management Analysts like "problems" to solve or predict outcomes if not actively involved in the process.

80ktsClamp 02-04-2013 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 1346025)
It's a study in airline "trauma." Airline Management Analysts like "problems" to solve or predict outcomes if not actively involved in the process.

Why no similar interest in AA?

Ftrooppilot 02-04-2013 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1346032)
Why no similar interest in AA?

Too big to fail. There was a chance Pinnacle could have gone under.

But you have tweaked my curiosity. Going to do some reading.

Past V1 02-04-2013 11:34 PM


This is not a team brought in to "shut things down." It's there to built things up. This kind of horsepower does not leave a Delta job, uproot families and move from Atlanta / Paris to MN unless they know it is long term career advancement. There is an old management expression: "When you shine like a diamond in a goats a**, don't move" for a high risk or dead end job

Wilbur is a Naval Academy graduate, has a MBA, and commanded the largest air wing in the Navy. Neuenschwander is a MBA, CPA, "integration specialist" who was heavily involved in the NWA/Delta merger. Becker is returning to HR where he has also has expertise in "integration"

They are a HQ Delta team there to build Pinnacle (still awaiting name change) way beyond 80+ airplanes and will slowly erase separate identities between Delta and its "primary" regional.
Great post!

For some strange reason I read this like it was said by the Architect from "The Matrix" or...

You can read it as Hannibal Lecter's voice.

Sounds equally cool! In my head though... Lol

ShyGuy 02-04-2013 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 1346012)
Delta didn't kill Pinnacle; Pinnacle killed Pinnacle. Delta is picking up the pieces of what's left and will build it up again . IMHO - way beyond 81 airplanes.

Again, why? By 2015, 9E will be left with some of the most senior regional airline pilots in the regional industry. Why won't Delta play the cost cutting game again, especially when 9E becomes wholly owned?

CarolinaAngler 02-05-2013 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1346105)
Again, why? By 2015, 9E will be left with some of the most senior regional airline pilots in the regional industry. Why won't Delta play the cost cutting game again, especially when 9E becomes wholly owned?

Our most senior pilot is at the 12 year mark. Nearly 30 dollars less per hour than skywest and ASA.


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