WTH are you talking about? Our profit sharing checks? Unless you voted on a contract differant than the one I did, it was that contract that forced the ac changes at the regionals. What did you think was going to happen? Did you think it was going to be cost neutral to meet those lofty goals of ac reductions? The company isn't going to rape contracts and destroy fleets without big costs involved all around to make it happen. Before you start pointing the finger saying "you" (pinnacle pilots) better start with "us"(Delta pilots).

The issue at 9E for mixed flying wasnt so much a safety issue as it was a pay issue. With only 16 -900s and 140 -200s, if I recall management wanted vacation, sick and all that time to be paid at -200 rates, and only get the -900 rate when flying the -900, plus, the question of sim checking events. What if you hadn't touched a -900 in 6 months (not hard, with only 16) and then go into a -900 sim for evaluation. Not that it would be hard, but still it is 9E and who knows what could happen to you. Most pilots didn't want to touch this dual qual issue because of these pay/QOL issues.

Ok u lost me. U are comparing strippers to delta owning a regional? And in another post claiming the pinnacle PILOTS are stealing your profit sharing? Do u ever sober up or do I need to find out who u are and demand a breathalyzer?

Seriously go get a nice mirror, look in it, and head to Home Depot cuz u are a tool bag.

Stop answering 9E issues when you are at VX. "Dual qual" was more than a -200/900 differences issue (we had a 3-day course to transition on the unfenced 9E certificate). The problem was "a few fold". As you mentioned, pay, is still an issue (as an loa on the original JCBA introduced dual qual), but also currency (hard to stay current, and no point when the A/C only goes through one base that is closing),the FSDO (FAA) allowing it, followed by it being impossible to remain current with the current fences. Most will argue "safety" until the pay goes up, but with basically 3 groups right now (-200, -900 fenced, -900 unfenced) the training/pairing construction/pay issues become a big problem.

In time the "current plan" is entirely a -900 fleet. That seems to bounce around a bit on the timeline, but "dual qual" with a continuing training bubble makes zero sense. Yea, the -900 has fixed issues that the -200 has, performs better, but handles much differently on T/O and landing. Unless -200's will remain (in the same domiciles as -900's) on the same POM/FOM for a good while, dual qual training and contract amendments are pointless. It's more training and qualification events, plus added pairing restrictions. The end result is more days working for the same paycheck. Other carriers (Mesa/PSA/skywest) structured training and manuals to fly the multiple derivatives within the same hub structure. In the current and future state of 9E, it's not feasible and not cost effective.

80kts to the rescue in 3...2...1

Tonight on APC... round 51 of higney vs ShyGuy! When will the butthurt end???


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WHO WILL COME OUT VICTORIOUS???

Hey how'd you get that picture of me??

Which one? :)

On a completely unrelated subject, when and how do we get our W2s (mail or electronic)?

Unfortunately for you, the rest that know me personally,will know that neither picture fits. I did throw a punch at shyguy for chiming in, yet also commented that he was correct that the pay issues were a roadblock. In the end, it was a hope to neutralize and derail any of the quote/ignore games that have been ongoing.

After that point it had no bearing on who/what/when/where/why, but did explain the differences in philosophy of both training and certification with a fundamental impact on the theoretical possibility of an operation involving "dual qual".

80- you, yet again, tried to come to the rescue of shyguy, but were baited. Welcome to the party. Feel free to find material that you feel has any impact or response that would have any impact of the topic being discussed. Posting pictures of guys you google on the Internet does not bring anything useful to the forums that you moderate to bring pilots together to discuss issues that are currently being either deliberated or discussed.