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Old 02-02-2013 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by block30
I get what you're saying. But those managers can cry themselves a river when their company can't staff planes while their competitor can.
It's simple, you declare bankruptcy, give yourself a bonus, and move on to the next airline. Probably best to give yourself the bonus first.
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Old 02-02-2013 | 01:20 PM
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Now you got it; if anyone sees a raise, its management, back to work!
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Old 02-02-2013 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This is wrong. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO RAISE THE PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This line of thinking is why there will never be a pilot shortage.
I cannot agree with this statement enough!!!
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Old 02-02-2013 | 07:03 PM
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I got hired with 25 multi when the stated min was 50 last year...
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Old 02-02-2013 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by M20EPilot
I got hired with 25 multi when the stated min was 50 last year...
How? Job fair? Where did you get hired?
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Old 02-02-2013 | 07:27 PM
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I wish the media and flight schools would finally stop proffering this pilot shortage BS. There might be a pilot shortage but there is no shortage of pilots, just those not willing to work for the wages offered. Also, until the regionals got established the ATP was the standard deal. The barrier now is, of course, getting that flight time due to the economy/lack of students and parents and banks not loaning the money for flight training as they once did. Even with all that there is still no shortage of pilots. Raise the pay! There are plenty of potential pilots with the multi time and ATP's or at least ATP Mins.
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Old 02-03-2013 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda2
I wish the media and flight schools would finally stop proffering this pilot shortage BS. There might be a pilot shortage but there is no shortage of pilots, just those not willing to work for the wages offered. Also, until the regionals got established the ATP was the standard deal. The barrier now is, of course, getting that flight time due to the economy/lack of students and parents and banks not loaning the money for flight training as they once did. Even with all that there is still no shortage of pilots. Raise the pay! There are plenty of potential pilots with the multi time and ATP's or at least ATP Mins.
There's no shortage yet because there has not yet been substantial attrition anywhere. The retirement numbers are gigantic.

I'm also not a fan of the words "Shortage" and "Pilot" being used in the same sentence but the fact remains that the industry is looking at about 1000+ retirements a year for the indefinite future.

The majors haven't really started the uptick on pilot hiring but when the retirements kick in in larger numbers they'll have to do so. That will hit the regionals very hard.
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Old 02-03-2013 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TBucket
There are definitely places struggling to find qualified applicants yet. TSA is hiring like crazy and having a hard time filling classes, for example.
They only want 12 to a class... 20 AT MOST because we don't have classrooms big enough to fit. The reason G7 can do 60+ in a class is because their systems training is all FSI.
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Old 02-03-2013 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by saab2000
There's no shortage yet because there has not yet been substantial attrition anywhere. The retirement numbers are gigantic.

I'm also not a fan of the words "Shortage" and "Pilot" being used in the same sentence but the fact remains that the industry is looking at about 1000+ retirements a year for the indefinite future.

The majors haven't really started the uptick on pilot hiring but when the retirements kick in in larger numbers they'll have to do so. That will hit the regionals very hard.
The shortage might be at the regional level, but with Comair down, PCL on the way, there are a lot of pilots on the street to make up for that.

Assuming the regional shortage does come, how are they going to make any money? If they can't put pilots in the front, they will go under. If they raise their pay to put pilots in the seat, they will go under. They aren't sustainable anymore. They will be forced to shut down and the majors will take back regional flying with bigger loads and less frequency.

I hope I am wrong, but I guess we will see.
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Old 02-03-2013 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
The shortage might be at the regional level, but with Comair down, PCL on the way, there are a lot of pilots on the street to make up for that.

Assuming the regional shortage does come, how are they going to make any money? If they can't put pilots in the front, they will go under. If they raise their pay to put pilots in the seat, they will go under. They aren't sustainable anymore. They will be forced to shut down and the majors will take back regional flying with bigger loads and less frequency.

I hope I am wrong, but I guess we will see.
They'll never go away entirely. But hopefully they will get back to the days of Feeding Into the mainline rather than replacing it.
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