Blackwing

Are people logging Level C/D sim time as multiengine time??? Is that legit?

saab2000

I don't think sim time counts as anything other than sim time and you can, I believe, log approaches.

AFAIK, it is not logable as flight time, nor should it be.

Slats

I believe you can. Wasn't Mesa giving people their Multi this way back in the day of their Mesa Pilot Training Program?

Lobaeux

I hope it counts since I received my IFR check and just gave an IFR checkride in the sim. I didn't add sim time in my total, even though the AF counts it.

own nav

I couldn't agree more.

Anyone who thinks that regional airline pilots are in for a big pay raise should pay attention to this.

JungleBus

I agree, except that I hope you are right.

rickair7777

Sim time should be logged as sim time only, not total flight time. Per the FAA it is not "flight time", which must occur in a real airplane.

In the cases where sim time can counted towards ratings, that just mean the sim counts (put it on the 8710), it does not mean you get to log sim time as real flight time.

Don't log it as dual-received, sim-time by definition is "dual" so adding it to your dual column might just create math confusion later on.

You can log sim time as IMC, ME, night, complex, etc but I would recommend not mixing those times up with your flight time since they do not apply towards aeronautical experience in all cases, and most employers want to see sim time separate from flight time. Employers don't usually care if sim time was ME, etc. IMC sim time can be useful for meeting entry-level hiring mins.

If you need to know how much ME sim time you have, you can go add it up later, or if you really want to you can make separate columns.

Bottom line, with a few exceptions you can log it any way you want but if you mix things up it will make your life harder down the road, and may create confusion when an employer is reviewing your logbook. Worst case, you could get kicked out of an interview if they think you're trying to fudge to meet hiring mins (especially turbine time).

Blackwing

Likewise for ME sim time, I'd think, particularly when spent doing V1 cuts, etc, in a sim for a transport category aircraft, in a Part 121 training program? Wishful thinking, perhaps?

Of course I don’t want to do anything that could jeopardize an interview, but as I've posted previously, I'm somewhat short on ME time so if it is an accepted practice, being able to include an additional 33 hrs of Level C sim time in my ME totals--as it already is for my instrument time totals--would put me over the ME hurdle for a handful of carriers.

rickair7777

That's sim time, not flight time. For FAA purposes it counts for some aeronautical experience requirements.

For employment purposes, they generally want a clear delineation between sim and flight time, no blurring the lines there.

They will probably give you some "extra credit" for relevant sim time, so it's certainly worth accounting for...just don't mix it up with airplane time.


I would assume, unless stated otherwise, that any airline's requirement for ME time would be real-airplane time. Do not show up for an interview thinking that sim time will put you over the top. Feel free to contact the airlines in question and ask about that, you never know. But if you get an interview after having represented yourself as having 100 ME, and it turns out that you were counting sim time to get there, you'll be shown the door for sure.

Remember everybody interviewing you had to meet the mins when they got hired, none of them will appreciate "creative" attempts to circumvent the mins.

pitch mode

Correct on many levels. Some regional aircraft can't handle a full boat AND an alternate. Kicking pax off for weight or denying jumpseaters is always bad. Some countries hire ab initio (Lufthansa for e.g.). Germany isn't full of "will they lower the mins?" "will they find out about my checkride failure?". Will mainline take back ALL flying? I guess that means will they fly larger aircraft to small airports and/or fly larger regional aircraft. Until then, there is probably a training website on the right that advertises a CRJ program for 4 grand that willl make you more competitive. Even better, how 'bout willflyforfood.com? Seriously? Are there any willdoelectricalwork/dentalwork/accounting/autorepair/healthcare for food sites out there? jeesh