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Beech90 02-03-2013 05:04 PM

I'm Not sure.

rickair7777 02-03-2013 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by drummerguy (Post 1345339)
FOIA will get all busts including General Aviation, this is what most airlines are using now, PRIA only gets busts that happened while flying professionally. Basically a PRIA just pulls your training records from former employers.


Yes, this is correct.

The only question here is does RAH do a FOIA request on all new hires?

Yes = 100% fired.

I would actually suggest that the person under discussion simply not accept this job, unless he can confirm that RAH does not do FOIA requests. Otherwise it's almost a sure thing that he'll be terminated from a 121 carrier for lying...safe to assume that's a career killer.

Wiscopilot 02-03-2013 07:13 PM

If they catch you lying to them they will send you home so fast your head will spin. Every new hire class I have been in a couple seats suddenly became vacant after a few weeks do to background checks.
A honest answer during the interview and ownership of the situation in most cases would have resulted in a non issue.

Rotor2prop 02-03-2013 07:14 PM

Just curious, what does your airman file include when you order it or an employer requests the full file through FOIA? Do you get actual copies of your 8710s, medicals, and IACRA information? Or is it just a summary showing your certificates held, failures if any, etc...?

FlyingKat 02-03-2013 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 1345480)
Just curious, what does your airman file include when you order it or an employer requests the full file through FOIA? Do you get actual copies of your 8710s, medicals, and IACRA information? Or is it just a summary showing your certificates held, failures if any, etc...?

It is a photocopy of everything the FAA has ever been sent. 8710s, temp certificates, written exams, pink slips, etc. I was amazed when I got mine and it included a private written exam score I had taken while in high school in 1987. Medical will be a photocopy of anything that the FAA has been sent on you medically. Any supporting information from a Doctor, forms etc.

As I said earlier, its not a bad idea to request this yourself so you can see what is in the FAA file. They charge 5 cents a copy and it takes a couple of weeks to get. You have to make seperate requests for the entire FAA file, medical files, and a statment of any enforcement actions against you.

FlyJSH 02-03-2013 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1345373)
I can't believe pilots are lying and asking what airlines ask for FOIA to find out about private/instrument/commcercial failures. Man up and admit your failures. Otherwise, you're sack of ***** that give the rest of us a bad name.

Kinda like the folks who ask if a training contract is enforceable.

Rotor2prop 02-03-2013 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1345493)
It is a photocopy of everything the FAA has ever been sent. 8710s, temp certificates, written exams, pink slips, etc. I was amazed when I got mine and it included a private written exam score I had taken while in high school in 1987. Medical will be a photocopy of anything that the FAA has been sent on you medically. Any supporting information from a Doctor, forms etc.

As I said earlier, its not a bad idea to request this yourself so you can see what is in the FAA file. They charge 5 cents a copy and it takes a couple of weeks to get. You have to make seperate requests for the entire FAA file, medical files, and a statment of any enforcement actions against you.

Thanks for the info! I think Im going to order mine now just to see whats in it. Now that I think about it, its just like getting your credit report before applying for a loan. We should all be doing this before applying for a job just to be sure and prepared for any questions that may come up.

Av8rking 02-03-2013 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 1345503)
Thanks for the info! I think Im going to order mine now just to see whats in it. Now that I think about it, its just like getting your credit report before applying for a loan. We should all be doing this before applying for a job just to be sure and prepared for any questions that may come up.

Really?! If you know you have no busts or anything else incriminating; Why? If they have some type of erroneous data that prevents you from getting the job, I would think you have a rock solid case of governmental defamation of character. I know going to court would suck, but the outcome could be quite generous. Lost wages (including career potential), defamation, and mental stress could potentially equate to a generous settlement. I would be willing to gamble one single job offer on the outcome of the case.

MEMbrain 02-03-2013 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Beech90 (Post 1345389)
No, I don't have five failures.

I stand corrected, you only have THREE checkride failures.

FlyJSH 02-03-2013 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by Av8rking (Post 1345528)
Really?! If you know you have no busts or anything else incriminating; Why? If they have some type of erroneous data that prevents you from getting the job, I would think you have a rock solid case of governmental defamation of character. I know going to court would suck, but the outcome could be quite generous. Lost wages (including career potential), defamation, and mental stress could potentially equate to a generous settlement. I would be willing to gamble one single job offer on the outcome of the case.

If one wishes to be reactive, then your plan is fine. I would rather check in advance of application for any inaccuracies. I don't think my government is out to get me, but considering that humans are inputting the information and I share the name of several other pilots, I check my file regularly.


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