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Palmtree Pilot 02-04-2013 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by kls81 (Post 1345744)
Hello,
So by requesting the copies of airman certification records this info will show previous checkride failures?

Look at the link that I posted to your first question... That is how you get your COMPLETE airman file from the FAA. And like others have said, if you have failed check rides, then disclose them. Lying will only come back to haunt you and all aviation jobs are asking if you have "ever" failed a check ride.

FSUpilot 02-04-2013 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Beech90 (Post 1345324)
My friend had a interview with RAH, and has two checkride failures, but he told me he told them he had none. Is there a way from them to find out?

His old logbook from his part 91 days was destroyed, so the checkrides are not in there.

Its funny, I have a friend at commutair who was telling me a buddy of his was fired from there for not disclosing 2 checkride failures. He then went to RAH and I'm pretty sure he didn't disclose them there either. Im not sure if he is still there or not. I don't know how you can get fired from one 121 carrier and then immediately go get hired at another. You'd think you would learn your lesson from the first experience. Crazy world.

Just tell your friend to fess up. Lying on a job application gets you nowhere.

FlyingKat 02-04-2013 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1345714)
Medical info is a lot harder to get. The fact that you have an FAA medical cert is easy to verify online using the FAA airmen database...takes about 60 seconds.

But I doubt airlines will be able to get any details (exam reports, correspondence, etc) from the FAA. The privacy act cannot be waived, even by the subject of the inquiry as far as I know.

The only way for an airline to get FAA medical details would be for the pilot to use FOIA or privacy act to obtain his own records and then hand them over to the airline himself.

When I made the request for my medical file, it contained every medical and all the supporting documentation I supplied to the FAA when I reapplied for my medical after surgery. Once you sign the waivers allowing them access to your records, they can get anything available. You waive your right to privacy when you sign the form allowing them access to the records. However I don't think RP has you sign anything in regard to medical stuff, just flying background.

FlyingKat 02-04-2013 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 1345480)
Just curious, what does your airman file include when you order it or an employer requests the full file through FOIA? Do you get actual copies of your 8710s, medicals, and IACRA information? Or is it just a summary showing your certificates held, failures if any, etc...?


FOIA will have every slip of paper sent to the FAA about you. The PRIA request from the FAA will have your certificates and any enforcement action on your certificate. Its two seperate requests.

FlyingKat 02-04-2013 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by SKYWCRJCA (Post 1345709)
After Colgan accident the FAA removed the expungement period all together with exception that any info on a failure prior to 2006 does not show up. Anything after that year now stays on the pria indefinitely. The FAA also says its a temporary suspension of the expungement process, so I'd imagine in the future they'll return to expunging of records.

Are you talking about PRIA or FOIA? If the employer requests your entire file from the FAA through FOIA, then it will contain everything the FAA has on you. As I said in an earlier post, when I checked my file the FAA had everything done on my behalf since 1987. Every written test, temporary certificate, and pink slip was in there, and they were all older than 2006.

JetBlast77 02-04-2013 03:17 PM

Whats the deal with training records from 121? Will they see training records from just the last 5 years or any employer from the last 5 years? For example, if I've only been employed at a single 121 airline for the past 10 years, will the next carrier I interview for get just the last 5 years of my training records or will they get all of it? Obviously I will still disclose anything and everything if applicable, im just curious what they see in this area.

rickair7777 02-04-2013 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 1345921)
Whats the deal with training records from 121? Will they see training records from just the last 5 years or any employer from the last 5 years? For example, if I've only been employed at a single 121 airline for the past 10 years, will the next carrier I interview for get just the last 5 years of my training records or will they get all of it? Obviously I will still disclose anything and everything if applicable, im just curious what they see in this area.


PRIA requests go to all employers who employed you as a pilot. They mus return any relevant records they, but in the case of part 91 employers that may not be much since they are not actually required to retain records. But if they have them, they must return them.

Palmtree Pilot 02-04-2013 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1345900)
...Once you sign the waivers allowing them access to your records, they can get anything available. You waive your right to privacy when you sign the form allowing them access to the records...

What waiver are you talking about, PRIA? A PRIA form gives employers no more information than what class of medical certificate you hold and any restrictions on it. Because of the "privacy act" and HIPAA the medical records that the FAA have on you to support your medical applications cannot be given out to anyone unless you give written consent with specific language to do so. PERIOD

STOP POSTING CRAP THAT IS NOT TRUE :eek:

rickair7777 02-04-2013 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1345900)
When I made the request for my medical file, it contained every medical and all the supporting documentation I supplied to the FAA when I reapplied for my medical after surgery. Once you sign the waivers allowing them access to your records, they can get anything available. You waive your right to privacy when you sign the form allowing them access to the records. However I don't think RP has you sign anything in regard to medical stuff, just flying background.

YOU can obtain from the fed almost any records about YOU.

Other people cannot generally obtain medical info about you from the fed unless it is for healthcare purposes. I don't believe the fed would provide your medical info to an employer even with a waiver signed by you. They would just tell you to hand over the copies yourself.

Also few airlines are interested in delving deeply into your medical history these days...too much risk of getting sued for discrimination, versus the dubious benefit of second-guessing FAA aero-medical.

FlyingKat 02-04-2013 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 1345928)
What waiver are you talking about, PRIA? A PRIA form gives employers no more information than what class of medical certificate you hold and any restrictions on it. Because of the "privacy act" and HIPAA the medical records that the FAA have on you to support your medical applications cannot be given out to anyone unless you give written consent with specific language to do so. PERIOD

STOP POSTING CRAP THAT IS NOT TRUE :eek:

No I am talking about a request to view any and all medical records. It depends on the employer. Some ask for it, most do not. You need to read what you are signing. If it is a medical release, they can get everything in your medical file. You waive your right to HIPAA when the release is signed. Hence the term "release".


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