CRJ-700's for Pinnacle?
03-17-2013 | 08:50 PM
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I'm waiting for mgmt to try and use this line... "FO pay is next in line for the highest paid job in the cockpit, it's right behind the CA pay, yet can still be above FA pay!"
A margin of error is one thing, but you are saying that if a family in the 98% of income in the USA is only 1% away from the top 99%... But it's so close, yet so far! 50% of the time you can be right 100% of the time on the true/false portion of the test.
A margin of error is one thing, but you are saying that if a family in the 98% of income in the USA is only 1% away from the top 99%... But it's so close, yet so far! 50% of the time you can be right 100% of the time on the true/false portion of the test.
03-18-2013 | 03:47 AM
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Doug Parker put his own spin on it. Shortly after US/AW merged, he said something to the affect of "Gone are the days of getting paid more to fly bigger planes; a cockpit is a cockpit"
03-18-2013 | 05:23 AM
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Hey Munky how are you today? Didn't know if u knew this, but those of us at CJC lost our base and airplane. It's not all rosy like u paint it out to be. Also many of us holding captain would have held it regardless (looking at pinnacles junior DOH CA). No worries though, it looks like pinnacle is like colgan losing all their airplanes too. Wish it didn't happen for either side. I hope u have a great day mr Buttr!
PS. Jamers, sorry if I made it personal. I still have triggers for this kind of stuff.
03-18-2013 | 05:31 AM
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Biggest problem with our industry - lack of a real union.
A real union would have:
1) not even put the crap contract out for a vote
2) not sold it as a job saver
3) shut the company down and slotted the furlough pilots in at seniority and longevity across the other union carriers, thus mitigating the losses.
A union should be shared gain and sacrifice. ALPA isn't a real union.
A real union would have:
1) not even put the crap contract out for a vote
2) not sold it as a job saver
3) shut the company down and slotted the furlough pilots in at seniority and longevity across the other union carriers, thus mitigating the losses.
A union should be shared gain and sacrifice. ALPA isn't a real union.
03-18-2013 | 06:59 AM
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So you should come ahead of other 2007 FOs at, say, ExressJet, because your gamble of staying at Pinnacle didn't work out? How's that fair? You should have left when the warning signs were clear. I'll give you carrying longevity for pay purposes, but not seniority. It isn't fair to leaprfrog in schedules/upgrade ahead of current other airline pilots because yours took a turn for the worst and you decided to stay on the sinking ship. I will give you longevity transfer, but management could hire a newbie instead of paying you 5 years worth. Nothing stops that.
Depends. Are you losing 140 airplanes in the next few years. Or, as the latest rumor has it, will these stick around even longer, negating all the job threats given to pass the concessionary contract.
Depends. Are you losing 140 airplanes in the next few years. Or, as the latest rumor has it, will these stick around even longer, negating all the job threats given to pass the concessionary contract.
Seemed to work well for Colgan pilots.
03-18-2013 | 07:34 AM
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People really have a hard time understanding that seniority and longevity are two totally separate things.
03-18-2013 | 07:42 AM
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but what motivation would an airline have to hire high longevity pilots under this scheme? You guys act like you have management over a barrel.
Longevity=pay&benefits (what costs management)
Seniority=seat, schedule, and equipment (what costs pilots)
National lists of either one are never going to happen. Too many people have too much to lose.
Longevity=pay&benefits (what costs management)
Seniority=seat, schedule, and equipment (what costs pilots)
National lists of either one are never going to happen. Too many people have too much to lose.
03-18-2013 | 07:42 AM
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You really don't understand the concept of a longevity transfer. Longevity and seniority have nothing to do with each other. The idea of a national longevity list is that if you were to say get furloughed from one carrier after 5 years, you would keep your longevity for pay purposes only. You would still be at the bottom of the seniority list at your new carrier but you would be at year 5 on the pay scale. That way you don't have to endure first year FO pay again or take as big of a pay cut.
People really have a hard time understanding that seniority and longevity are two totally separate things.
People really have a hard time understanding that seniority and longevity are two totally separate things.
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