I agree, so in essence a 25 year RJ CA could go over to a FEDEX, DAL or any other ALPA carrier and start as a maxed out FO?

Couldn't see any company allowing this into a contract during negotiations

 

Not sure what the pilots would lose with a National Longevity list; the only losers would be the companies. Its the same basic concept of what trade unions like Electricians do so that you don't take a pay cut when you go to work for another company. The only way it would work is if it didn't take so long for a pay scale to mature. Also, it would require a national union to negotiate it into all the airline contracts. It really is just a theoretical way to solve a problem that this industry has where you are not compensated for your experience.

It probably never will be successful; I was just trying to explain a basic concept to someone that lacked knowledge. The concept of the difference between longevity and seniority seems to be lost on a lot of pilots (especially when a merger happens).

The airlines have never been in a free market, otherwise employee groups wouldn't be forced to negotiate under the RLA and submit to the whims of the NMB. If the free market was actually allowed, bankruptcy wouldn't allow contracts to get tossed and pilots could demand what they are worth. We would also never see regionals as mainline pilots would be able to strike at their discretion to put an end to them.

 

You're right. It would be a windfall for the pilots, and the companies would lose. Which is why, as you stated, it will never happen. "Real" unions can get away with this because they have their industry cornered. They supply all of the labor. If you're in a major city, building a skyscraper, you can't do it without the unions. Not only are airline pilots a dime a dozen, we have an "Association of independent MECs" representing us (not a "union", and worse, most pilots would sell their own mother out to either make more money or move up the ladder. This is why it will never work here.

 

Ohhh my GOD

Who the **** is the homo who made this??? Has his name been leaked to the Skywest pilot group???

WOW.

 

For the same reason in the private workforce an employee is worth more with more experience. For example, an entry level engineer will start at a entry level engineer pay. But 5-10 years later, if he leaves the company to go to another company, he doesn't get entry-level pay at that company. He gets 5-10 years experience worth salary. Unfortunately, the unions have made the seniority system as hard lined as it is today, and I don't ever see a national longevity list.

 

I agree, this has nothing to do with socialism. It is about getting paid what you are worth and what your experience commands. If we lived in a true capitalistic country there would be no regulations and airlines could do whatever they wanted to. This would drive low end airlines to hire low end pilots (and pay them minimum wage) as well as cut corners on maintenance. This would result in airframe losses and loss of life. These companies would then be unable to get insurance, would have a problem selling tickets and they would go out of business. Airlines that wanted to stay in business would hire experienced pilots, train them appropriately and pay them appropriately (even if it meant paying a first year pilot with 10K hours 100K). I'm not understanding how paying a pilot according to their experience is now socialism?

 

The ending credits say that the photos were taken by and the pilot was Joseph Trev.

Mods, don't go ballistic with the name in public. It's on the video that is in a public domain. If he wanted to remain anonymous, he should have, but he didn't want to.

 

He says in the comments he never said he was a skywest pilot so it could be just some kid that is in love with skywest.

 

Easy with the homophobic rhetoric buddy. We all share different interests in aviation, and if the video bothered you, don't watch it or offer substantive criticism.

 

How do you know he meant it to be homophobic? He might have mean homosapien.