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Originally Posted by MunkyButtr
(Post 1374054)
You make a good point. You lost your base, your airplane, heck even you airline, but yet not only are you still employed, you are a captain. I was simply disagreeing with a longevity transition and gave a real life example of why it wouldn't work. Absolutely zero pity will or has been felt for your loss of base or airplane. You actually got a pay raise when you lost your base and your airplane. The sad part about Pinnacle parking 200's is that once again, the Colgan captains will still have a job. Meanwhile Pinnacle AND Mesaba FO's have zero future here. What we are going through at Pinnacle is the exact reason longevity transition would never work and every other airline knows it.
PS. Jamers, sorry if I made it personal. I still have triggers for this kind of stuff. I feel horrible for all of those affected (pretty much everyone at all three airlines) but especially for the MEM guys that made it their home. |
Originally Posted by MEMbrain
(Post 1374326)
How do you know he meant it to be homophobic? He might have mean homosapien.
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Hey, maybe there is something to this rumor. :confused: The stock price has doubled since this thread opened! :eek: It is at a nine month high. $0.075/share!
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Pinnacle has a stock price?
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Originally Posted by DL31082
(Post 1374784)
Pinnacle has a stock price?
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Originally Posted by PCLCREW
(Post 1375084)
Ya its a hot stock on the Kazakhstan Exchange...
In my country there is problem........... and that problem is Bloch.......... he take all your seniority..................... and he never give it back.................... |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1375190)
In my country there is problem...........
and that problem is Bloch.......... he take all your seniority..................... and he never give it back.................... |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1375190)
In my country there is problem...........
and that problem is Bloch.......... he take all your seniority..................... and he never give it back.................... |
Ruin the joke song why don't ya! :D
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1375260)
Ruin the joke song why don't ya! :D
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This almost made me puke when I read it!!!!
From the latest ALPA email.... According to Ryan Gumm, the Pinnacle-Delta alliance is a “new and different approach by a major airline to create a seamless customer experience between mainline and regional service. The level of support from Delta is unprecedented and is providing a platform that we can build upon to grow.” Gumm’s goal for Pinnacle is to be a world-class regional airline with the best product at the best price. In order to achieve that goal, Pinnacle employees, including the pilots, must own the idea of “one level of customer service” that spans the Delta network. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1375260)
Ruin the joke song why don't ya! :D
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
(Post 1375276)
In order to achieve that goal, Pinnacle employees, including the pilots, must own the idea of “one level of customer service” that spans the Delta network[/COLOR][/I].
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Originally Posted by N2Core
(Post 1375283)
Does this mean we have to wear our hats?
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
(Post 1375285)
Actually, funny thing is I have been hearing this rumor for the last month or so....New uniforms (wings and emblem) will be coming and hats are going to be mandatory.
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Management forgets that 95% of the pilots have a goal to get out of here. Hard to create a positive culture when everybody just wants to leave, on there terms.
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Delta probably still owns the rights to comair. I know it's mean but Gumm is in charge, he wouldn't have to change his business card.
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Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
(Post 1375285)
Actually, funny thing is I have been hearing this rumor for the last month or so....New uniforms (wings and emblem) will be coming and hats are going to be mandatory.
Changed in the TA. They would have to amend the JCBA. |
Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 1375298)
It's in the JCBA that hats are optional and was not
Changed in the TA. They would have to amend the JCBA. I believe the company can change the hat requirement in the FOM whenever they like. |
Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL
(Post 1375303)
I believe the company can change the hat requirement in the FOM whenever they like.
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Originally Posted by Diesel450
(Post 1375295)
Delta probably still owns the rights to comair. I know it's mean but Gumm is in charge, he wouldn't have to change his business card.
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Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 1375308)
They can but it wouldn't change the JCBA. They should have asked it in the TA if they wanted it. From what I'm hearing from friends it sounds like a ton of FO's wear north face jackets in DTW. They should start by addressing this.
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At least it would stop the North Face jackets being worn like they are the double breasted standard the world over.
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Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1375327)
If they use the Comair name, will the Pinnacle guys settle for a staple when the Comair guys all come back per The Comair ALPA LOA?
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Even under the old Pinnacle FOM before the merger, it said hats optional except while on the ramp. But no one enforced that.
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Originally Posted by PCLCREW
(Post 1375350)
Funny you should mention that... In the works right now is a uniform police.. That yes will be standing in the jet bridge looking at uniform standards... No joke. I have also heard first hand that hats will be manditory shortly and a new uniform is in the works to look almost just like mainline.. Dont worry we'll be hiring soon.. so anyone that wants to prentend to be Delta can join the ranks of Pinnacle (or soon to be "insert name" regional) at the lowest pay in regional world (or should I say the best service at the right price).
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I understand that the uniform represents our profession, but its hard to motivate people when you're constantly treated like **** from the top down.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1375361)
Even under the old Pinnacle FOM before the merger, it said hats optional except while on the ramp. But no one enforced that.
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I just can't believe these management guys believe the words coming out of their mouths.
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Originally Posted by block30
(Post 1375385)
Doesn't that mean no hats on the ramp, so it won't blow off and FOD out an engine?
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1375408)
I forget the exact wording, but the way I remember it was that it implied hats were required on the ramp (eg, walkaround).
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1375408)
I forget the exact wording, but the way I remember it was that it implied hats were required on the ramp (eg, walkaround).
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Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 1375409)
So before the contract you guys had to wear hats? CJC did until our CP 5x5 said we didn't in 2010.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1375418)
As I said, no one enforced it so it was basically optional. Who knows. This is the same FOM that stated that Captains should not volunteer to let FOs fly the leg even though that was the industry practice. There were always things in there to hang you by.
Post merger here, the NW pilots were all wearing their hats all the time, even on walkarounds (the hat is optional on a walkaround) just to get used to wearing them and keep from forgetting them. We had at least one guy get his hat sucked up into the pack intake on an Airbus! :eek: |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1375424)
Ha! I forgot about that phrase. That was definitely a red flag.
Post merger here, the NW pilots were all wearing their hats all the time, even on walkarounds (the hat is optional on a walkaround) just to get used to wearing them and keep from forgetting them. We had at least one guy get his hat sucked up into the pack intake on an Airbus! :eek: |
It's good to know that the company is running so smoothly all management has to worry about is uniforms.
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I remember sometime around 2005 there was someone new in the Flight Ops department at Pinnacle and they decided that hats should be required. So like everybody else, I went out and bought a hat, but a month later they came out and said no more hats...:confused: That same hat sits in my closet with an inch of dust on it, I have a feeling that very shortly it will be worn for the first time.
Edit...Some people look good with a hat, not me!!! |
Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 1375438)
I've always heard that's how you can tell a guy was NWA..... Hat is In the pocket of his roller bag.:)
When I was in newhire class, one of the guys played a joke on us and reminded us that we had to wear the hat even when we went to the lav in cruise. That gave my OE captain a good laugh on my first trip when I donned the hat to go shake hands with the champ. |
Originally Posted by block30
(Post 1375385)
Doesn't that mean no hats on the ramp, so it won't blow off and FOD out an engine?
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1375450)
It was funny.. either they put it in the pocket of the roller bag, or wore it ALL the time, even on the walkaround, hence the airbus nomming his hat.
When I was in newhire class, one of the guys played a joke on us and reminded us that we had to wear the hat even when we went to the lav in cruise. That gave my OE captain a good laugh on my first trip when I donned the hat to go shake hands with the champ. • Delta hats will be worn when in public view outside the aircraft. - Wearing the hat during the exterior preflight is optional although it should be removed if it presents a safety hazard, i.e., wheel well inspection |
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