CRJ-700's for Pinnacle?
 

Details? Heard something about MX approval at PCL and classes being cancelled at Go Jets. Yet another DCI shuffle?

That cannot be true, everybody said we were the next Comair? *** I thought we were shutting down.

This rumor has been floating around for years, don't believe anything until said airplanes are on property.

Only rumors I've hear we're 2014 as some other contracts expire. Who knows but id put money on no.

As much as it would be a bit of poetic justice for Delta to proverbially slap G7 management in the face by doing such a thing citing crummy performance, I second that don't believe it till 700s are on property with the Pinnacle logo on the nose.

I hear Delta is going away from putting the operated by stickers on the nose and just using magnets as they are easier to swap as the airplanes make the rounds around the DCI system.

CRJs are made of Aluminum...... right?

Yes, and the magnet would probably fly off as well, it was a joke with regards to how Delta shifts airplanes around. These airplanes if they go to Pinnacle would have gone from the Delta books at Comair to GoJet then back to Delta (pinnacle).

The operated by.... part is staying but the rest of it will be the responsibility of the former captain, now F.O., to write in the name of the airline with a dry erase pen during preflight!

Extra points if you can draw the whole logo.....I'm going to start selling templates for all the DCI carriers to capitalize on this.

I have already begun to make washable tattoos. Every time it is washed off the plane goes to a new carrier.

I heard this from a captain about a week or two ago. He said the instructors had a meeting about getting 700's. I will believe it when I see it.

Of course Pinnacle is getting the GoJet 700's, just as soon as the pilots agree to give up another 10% pay. I predict fistfights at the ballot box to get the yes votes cast. :(

....lol......

Pinnacle has been losing on average 40-60 pilots a month since April 1st 2012, there is now way we could staff additional aircraft, they are having problems staffing now. "IF" we were to get 700s the performance would be worse than GoJet unless it was a 1 for1 trade.

Next weeks top APC thread: "Pinnacle offering $7,500 sign on bonus."

Won't happen, they tried that at Mesaba back when we first got the 900's. Union came back and told them, if you want to give hiring bonuses, you have to give it to all current pilots as well. Put the kibosh on that one.

Isn't "Bonus" outsie Section 3 compensation. They can argue that these newhires are still getting a regular compensation as published in the JCBA. Anyway, from so-called "near extinction" to getting new CRJ-700s. Only 15% called the bluff.

No new hires are compensated under our contract. If they want to pay certain pilots extra outside the contract, there will be a grievance with past history not in favor of the company.

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If we were to get 700's they still wouldn't be growth airplanes. The 200's are still going away and I'd venture a guess that the fleet would still be smaller even with the addition of 700's. As for the new hire problem, just guarantee an interview with the highest paying major and you'd be surprised how many overlook the crappy pay. Especially with the way things will moving in the coming years. I'm not sold on pinnacle going away anytime soon. We are el cheapo numero uno.

Do we have something in our contract that eagle and RAH don't when it comes to bonuses? I remember seeing similar talk from the eagle guys and yet a bonus is being offered.

Well we know how you voted.... Let me know how that "guarantee interview" works out for y'all. Meanwhile mainline farms out larger RJs trying to get other respectable carriers to match your $hit rates. Bravo!

Sure you aren't MEM based?

Typing on the phone while taxiing to gate... As a passenger. My bad :)

Yeah that's what Pinnacle needs. More of last generations jets that continue to operate at a loss.

Biggest problem with our industry - lack of a real union.

A real union would have:

1) not even put the crap contract out for a vote
2) not sold it as a job saver
3) shut the company down and slotted the furlough pilots in at seniority and longevity across the other union carriers, thus mitigating the losses.

A union should be shared gain and sacrifice. ALPA isn't a real union.

Nm. You aren't worth it.

Umm...they never said they were, hence the second "A" for "association."

Which is the fallacy of the whole thing. I think I would rather go with a direct relationship with management than have ALPA steal 1.95% of my check - which THEY made smaller by agreeing to negotiate this crap contract.

There is a reason Skywest is successful. ALPA isn't handicapping them.

Some good points here. If a IBEW electrcian gets laid off the union finds them other work at the same pay. Why can't ALPA do that? Why does a senior captain with several type ratings and thousands of hours of airline experience have to start at the bottom of the pile on year one F.O. pay if they switch carriers? Its the most unfair messed up system.

Honestly I would be fine with transferring only longevity. It would be easier to implement and wouldn't start seniority wars. It's definitely time ALPA starts this conversation. Everyone would win as management loses the scare tactic of forcing concessions or bankruptcy.

Me too. Should at least stay in your current pay year if going from one ALPA carrier to another.

At least you get a bad ass new lanyard when you start over again.

Transferring longevity isn't a "bad" idea.

That said, put yourselves into management's shoes - would you rather hire somebody off the street making 12 year pay, or somebody making first year pay?

For reasons like this, it'll never happen any more than a "master seniority list" in the airline biz.

Spoken by a Colgan pilot who has already experienced a "longevity" transition. I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if the shoe were on the other foot. That transition would demolish career expectations and upgrades for established fo's like it already did at 9e. That would never work. I highly doubt 6 year fo's at other carriers would be OK with someone jumping them on the senority list. The only way longevity transfer would work is strictly pay rates, not seniority, and we all know mgmt teams wouldn't buy into that either.

Hey Munky how are you today? Didn't know if u knew this, but those of us at CJC lost our base and airplane. It's not all rosy like u paint it out to be. Also many of us holding captain would have held it regardless (looking at pinnacles junior DOH CA). No worries though, it looks like pinnacle is like colgan losing all their airplanes too. Wish it didn't happen for either side. I hope u have a great day mr Buttr!

Longevity in terms of pay rates is strictly what I am referring to. As someone mentioned before, shared gain and sacrifice. As a colgan pilot I experienced a seniority transfer within the ISL, not a longevity transfer. My years of service did not change but the terms of the Bloch award determined my integrated seniority. Mgmt wouldn't agree to allowing someone to get hired at a higher starting pay unless the entire pay scale was reduced in the form of a concession. So I guess you are correct in that it would never work.

That would be cool, but do you think the majors would go for that? Honestly, I'd love to have my 1996 PCL seniority.

I'm original Pinnacle. Didn't see a lot of sympathy for us when the bankruptcy agreement was being negotiated or ratified. You want me to vote no, you make sure I get my longevity and seniority where I have to go. Other than that, I think I'll take my 5+ earned years and keep my job.

I think year 2 at SKW is more than the 5yr mark payrate y'all voted in. But hey, at least you get to keep your job for a few more months, right? :rolleyes:

Few months? Are we furloughing in a few months?