Pilot Pipeline after new ATP rule
03-30-2013 | 06:21 PM
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This guy is a real idiot. I mean can you believe all the assumptions he made? With something as predictable as the airline industry he should only speak in terms that will definitely prove true in the future. I demand infallible predictions and no more assumptions and educated conjectures.
03-31-2013 | 08:18 AM
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I agree, a lot of assumptions! What makes you believe Part 91 corporate pilots could be a pipeline to the Regionals or Major 121 carriers? Have you ever even spoke with corporate pilots? Many of them consider a move in that direction is a downgrade to lifestyle, pay, benefits and yes...even safety! It is such an arrogant assumption to think everyone who has a pilot license wants to fly for some airline! My forecast: The airline industry as a whole is a blood sucking, life sucking, bottom feeder that is going to get what it deserves!
03-31-2013 | 08:25 AM
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Already too many flight instructors are having great hardship in finding students that want to fly more than a few times a month, and not every freight and charter pilot will want to work for an airline. A lot of my friends have their sights set on freight and corporate instead of airlines.... It'll be rather intriguing to see what will happen around this time next year.
03-31-2013 | 09:29 AM
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Already too many flight instructors are having great hardship in finding students that want to fly more than a few times a month, and not every freight and charter pilot will want to work for an airline. A lot of my friends have their sights set on freight and corporate instead of airlines.... It'll be rather intriguing to see what will happen around this time next year.
03-31-2013 | 09:34 AM
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Part 91 is a wild card. From predatory operators who save a buck off the backs of their pilots, to the complete other end of the spectrum. I definitely know of a few corporate gigs that seem to leverage the attraction of circumventing flight instructing for low time pilots. If that corporate gig burns Jet A, the ground is the limit in terms of pay and QOL.
Don't get me wrong, the regionals need to adjust compensation.
Don't get me wrong, the regionals need to adjust compensation.
Many airlines fit your description as well, and they come in all sizes!
03-31-2013 | 09:42 AM
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Lets be real, there will be no shortage. We are talking about the same government that now allows knives and weapons back on planes. And yes, those items can be used as weapons. Even with the protest from Attendants, Pilots and even the public the government is ok with it.
Now lets take that same thought process and apply it to any impending shortage. As soon as the airlines(regionals) whine to the government about how they are unable to move the public, it'll turn into a monetary issue and viola there will be some kind of amendment to the ATP rule. Problem solved! Sad but true...
That and a continues increase in the age rule so crews can fly until their 100 yrs old
Now lets take that same thought process and apply it to any impending shortage. As soon as the airlines(regionals) whine to the government about how they are unable to move the public, it'll turn into a monetary issue and viola there will be some kind of amendment to the ATP rule. Problem solved! Sad but true...
That and a continues increase in the age rule so crews can fly until their 100 yrs old
03-31-2013 | 09:42 AM
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Not to mention the difficulty flight instructors have building 50 nm cross country time when we actually do have students. I kinda giggled when I read the section about flight instructors in the pipeline. While it is quite easy to amass 1500 hours total time teaching, cross country time is another story with only 4-5 hours per student that's over 100 students. In the 3 1/2 years I've been teaching I've built over 1600 total, meet all the other ATP mins but only have 245 hours of 50 nm straight line cross country time.... So in the mean time I suppose I will continue to teach stalls, DME arcs and learn to find an airport that is more than 50 miles away because apparently I need 255 more hours to do it correctly or hope that more reasonable heads will prevail before I reach age 65....
Hi JetDoc! I realize you are flight instructing to build time in which I would suggest you switch to part 135. This will give you the cross country time, ice time, and whatever else you need in a shorter time frame.
03-31-2013 | 09:51 AM
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Actually, Yes, in the context of "corporate 91" which we were talking about! While I am flying around with a half dozen MEL stickers at any given time, these corporate aircraft are meticulously maintained by some of the best aircraft mechanics in the world! You can literally eat off their Hangar floor! While many 121 carriers are having their maintenance done by the lowest bidder in third world countries! In addition, these aircraft are equipped with the latest and greatest in aviation technology while I'm getting a vector or dealing with a timed out FMS!
03-31-2013 | 09:54 AM
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Actually, Yes, in the context of "corporate 91" which we were talking about! While I am flying around with a half dozen MEL stickers at any given time, these corporate aircraft are meticulously maintained by some of the best aircraft mechanics in the world! You can literally eat off their Hangar floor! In addition, these aircraft are equipped with the latest and greatest in aviation technology while I'm getting a vector or dealing with a timed out FMS!
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