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04-18-2013, 05:11 AM
#121
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Originally Posted by NERD
So does Delta have to hire any or just offer interviews? Could they run through the entire list and only hire a handful? What outs does Delta have to weed out the undesirables?
04-18-2013, 05:25 AM
#122
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Nope.. read the bridge agreement. Once they've been through everyone that qualifies, it's over.
04-18-2013, 05:42 AM
#123
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Outside the grandfathered Mesaba flow guys, they don't HAVE to hire anyone, just offer an interview.
It specifically states that 1/3 of the New-Hire class at DAL will be from the 9E bridge agreement or
2013-2016 = 12
2017 = 15
2018 and beyond = 20
Whichever is less.
Then goes on to say that 2/3 of that 9E group will be from the Bridge agreement (seniority order) and 1/3 can be from any eligible 9E pilot interviewed out of seniority order.
And it even states that these numbers are apart from any other flow agreement, ie XJ or Compass.
04-18-2013, 05:43 AM
#124
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Sorry, Im not smart and I like information spoon-fed to me. Since I'm not down with all the airline mumbo-jumbo does this mean if you don't work for Delta or Pinnacle your chances of becoming a pilot for Delta Airlines (not flying an RJ) just got harder?
I see it as all of those retirements that were supposed to happen and the need for pilots once the 737-900's and 717's start working their way in have found a solution and Delta may never need to hire off the street again.
Really feel bad for anyone out there just going to school. Pilot shortage? What?
I see it as all of those retirements that were supposed to happen and the need for pilots once the 737-900's and 717's start working their way in have found a solution and Delta may never need to hire off the street again.
Really feel bad for anyone out there just going to school. Pilot shortage? What?
04-18-2013, 05:48 AM
#125
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Originally Posted by Fly782
Not quite
Exhaustion of Hiring Commitment.
Delta’s hiring commitment under Section 3.e. will be exhausted and become null and void upon the date the most junior Pinnacle pilot on the seniority list as of the date of ratification of a new restructured Pinnacle pilot collective bargaining agreement is offered an opportunity to participate in the SSP in seniority order, provided, however, that any Pinnacle pilot who retains a repeat opportunity under Section 3.d. upon the date the hiring commitment is exhausted, or would obtain an opportunity to repeat the process within twelve (12) months of such date, will be afforded the opportunity to repeat the process upon his request. Such repeat opportunities will be scheduled at a minimum rate of 20 per month for the number of months in which Delta anticipates offering new hire pilot positions.
Repeat Opportunities to Participate in the SSP.
An eligible Pinnacle pilot may be provided an opportunity to repeat the SSP if the pilot:
i. did not successfully pass any objective testing element of the selection process, or
ii. is potentially qualified to be provided with a conditional job offer but is not competitive with other applicants who had previously or are being provided with conditional job offers.
Such opportunity to repeat the SSP will only be afforded if the Pinnacle pilot maintains his eligibility as described above, requests to repeat the process and at least twelve months have passed since the previous date of participation in the SSP. A pilot who would otherwise be considered for a repeat opportunity will forfeit any such opportunity in the event he fails to request a repeat opportunity upon the exhaustion of the SSP, as set forth below.
Exhaustion of Hiring Commitment.
Delta’s hiring commitment under Section 3.e. will be exhausted and become null and void upon the date the most junior Pinnacle pilot on the seniority list as of the date of ratification of a new restructured Pinnacle pilot collective bargaining agreement is offered an opportunity to participate in the SSP in seniority order, provided, however, that any Pinnacle pilot who retains a repeat opportunity under Section 3.d. upon the date the hiring commitment is exhausted, or would obtain an opportunity to repeat the process within twelve (12) months of such date, will be afforded the opportunity to repeat the process upon his request. Such repeat opportunities will be scheduled at a minimum rate of 20 per month for the number of months in which Delta anticipates offering new hire pilot positions.
Repeat Opportunities to Participate in the SSP.
An eligible Pinnacle pilot may be provided an opportunity to repeat the SSP if the pilot:
i. did not successfully pass any objective testing element of the selection process, or
ii. is potentially qualified to be provided with a conditional job offer but is not competitive with other applicants who had previously or are being provided with conditional job offers.
Such opportunity to repeat the SSP will only be afforded if the Pinnacle pilot maintains his eligibility as described above, requests to repeat the process and at least twelve months have passed since the previous date of participation in the SSP. A pilot who would otherwise be considered for a repeat opportunity will forfeit any such opportunity in the event he fails to request a repeat opportunity upon the exhaustion of the SSP, as set forth below.
04-18-2013, 05:59 AM
#126
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Sorry, Im not smart and I like information spoon-fed to me. Since I'm not down with all the airline mumbo-jumbo does this mean if you don't work for Delta or Pinnacle your chances of becoming a pilot for Delta Airlines (not flying an RJ) just got harder?
I see it as all of those retirements that were supposed to happen and the need for pilots once the 737-900's and 717's start working their way in have found a solution and Delta may never need to hire off the street again.
Really feel bad for anyone out there just going to school. Pilot shortage? What?
I see it as all of those retirements that were supposed to happen and the need for pilots once the 737-900's and 717's start working their way in have found a solution and Delta may never need to hire off the street again.
Really feel bad for anyone out there just going to school. Pilot shortage? What?
04-18-2013, 06:00 AM
#127
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Sorry, Im not smart and I like information spoon-fed to me. Since I'm not down with all the airline mumbo-jumbo does this mean if you don't work for Delta or Pinnacle your chances of becoming a pilot for Delta Airlines (not flying an RJ) just got harder?
I see it as all of those retirements that were supposed to happen and the need for pilots once the 737-900's and 717's start working their way in have found a solution and Delta may never need to hire off the street again.
Really feel bad for anyone out there just going to school. Pilot shortage? What?
I see it as all of those retirements that were supposed to happen and the need for pilots once the 737-900's and 717's start working their way in have found a solution and Delta may never need to hire off the street again.
Really feel bad for anyone out there just going to school. Pilot shortage? What?
The entire problem at 9E was too high pay caused by too high relative seniority. (for their regional model anyway)
They fixed the problem partially by capping the pilots at 4 and 12 years.
Then with the bridge agreement, they can keep 9E at much lower relative seniority by moving the pilots over to DAL.
It creates a buffer for the mythical "Pilot Shortage" by having Regional guys waiting in the wings and they have total control of the costs associated with said Regional.
Last edited by Bartok; 04-18-2013 at 06:44 AM.
04-18-2013, 06:01 AM
#128
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Originally Posted by Pogey Bait
Short answer is no. The Pinnacle pilots get to interview with Delta. There is no guarantee that they have or will get a job at Delta. If that is a picture of you setting in the cockpit of your avatar, you have a h*** of a shot to get on at Delta. Its not like ONLY Pinnacle pilots will be interviewed by Delta when they start hiring again. And your chances just got better, to get job at Delta, because I just quit Pinnacle yesterday. Good luck, my the force be with you.
1/3 of a newhire class at DAL WILL be 9E pilots as part of the Bridge agreement.
04-18-2013, 06:28 AM
#130
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Originally Posted by Pogey Bait
Short answer is no. The Pinnacle pilots get to interview with Delta. There is no guarantee that they have or will get a job at Delta. If that is a picture of you setting in the cockpit of your avatar, you have a h*** of a shot to get on at Delta. Its not like ONLY Pinnacle pilots will be interviewed by Delta when they start hiring again. And your chances just got better, to get job at Delta, because I just quit Pinnacle yesterday. And don't believe all this c*** about a pilot shortage, there is not one. Good luck, may the force be with you.
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