he he...so you admit you live in mommas basement and will say things on here that you won't say to someone's face :)


But in all seriousness, you misunderstood my post. I was talking about hiring mainly. I just threw the jumpseat in there to show the guy has real balls if he says to my face before asking for a ride rather than hiding on here, and in that case I'm happy to take him! He will be in for an earful and a dose of reality though by the time we get to the destination! So what I'm saying is I'd rather fly with (either as a fellow employee, or on my jumpseat) someone who has the balls to say it to my face, rather than some pansy like Sooner and others who will only say it from a computer behind a false name.

Shy, not everything negative I/we say on here is directed at you. ;) I really think you are into S&M with as many generally negative comments you enjoy being hurled your way. I was speaking of OUsoooner and the sorts, people from OTHER airlines saying "vote no" not to stick stick it to the man, but in the hopes they would get our airframes hence growth when we shut down. Not 9e FO's complaining that 9e captains haven't moved on for whatever reason. And for the anal retentives out there, don't give me the "they are Delta's airplanes" lecture. It's old.

Let's visit what you actually said:

Here's my advice when your time comes to vote:


1. The Mainline company always bluffs, nothing they say is true, especially if they say they are going to shut you down.

2. Just vote No.

3. Live happily ever after.

Well I try and write nothing different than what I would say to someone in person, but sometimes online it doesn't come out right, or comes out harsher than what I really mean. As for hiring, I would never rat someone out based on online posts. It just doesn't provide a complete picture. What you mean sometimes doesn't come out right. Or sarcasm is missed, or the message is taken one way when it was meant another. There's just too much that can be taken the wrong way. That's why I only judge in person from knowing someone and/or having flown with them. That is the fairest way to judge someone. And no, I don't live in momma's basement. Though at these California prices my wife and I'm paying, I wish I did hahaa.

Are you accusing me of being this cow? :D

Family Guy Cow - YouTube

What does this mean...................

"US Airways management’s concern over Eagle’s ability to deliver on its cost savings targets and whether those targets are sufficient in the post-Pinnacle environment."

Shy... On my commute to/from work I finished up the movie "black hawk down". I can't seem to shake the similarity of "shyguy" on apc and "over watch" in the movie.

What comes to mind (more to the point) is a college guy going to a HS prom. Move on, and then literally move on. Right now you are dragging tail, and your "real' name has made the rounds. Honestly, you are only harming yourself with continued 9E posts. You are ticking off about 2K folks, and most know who you are. Talking negative grows the negative mindset, and the "small network" has close connections.

I know the infant keeps you awake, but research a 529 instead of the pos/neg/POST Hindsight game at this point. If you loved VA, you wouldn't be playing "over watch for 9E".

My times come and gone to vote and yes i did vote NO. Sadly 70 some percent of the other people at my airline chose to buy into the company and unions bluffs.

I'd make the same argument to your face or any others for that reason. Sadly the internet hasnt advanced far enough to make that happen.. sort of. It is what it is. Everyones entitles to their opinion. Eagle yes voters are quickly finding out the company was bluffing to no end during negotiations. I think Pinnacle yes voters will find the same is true down the road.

AA wasn't bluffing about awarding 47 airplanes to RAH. I'm sure that got peoples' attention. Plus Eagle is a pretty top heavy pilot group. I'd imagine Eagle pilots felt the squeeze from mainline AA-just like every regional does by mainline. Have you ever flown freight? Maybe you ought to try that. Captain on your first day, no regional whipsaw. You get to vote with your feet.

Have you driven past you high school these days? Not the same buddy, hormones in the chicken or something :D

I keep getting older and they stay the same age, AMIRITE??

I have and see the guys in lifetime (mirror watchers). I'm not concerned. 10 year reunion coming up and they still bench their body weight. At this point it reminds me why my property value has been on the rise. Weak sauce.

We need to do beers soon, and not the "cheap SHOT" you send across the bar "anonymously". Hehe. That was some horrible tequila in minny btw, I'm still thinking it was cheap rum. It was a mix of burn and god knows what.

Saucer time?

Higney85, what wrongness did I say? Did you see the US Airways management concern about Eagles cost even after their concessions in the "post Pinnacle environment?"

They awarded the 47 airplanes AFTER the pilot group voted yes on the concessionary TA.

Wow. You have a big set of brass balls. 2 years in the industry and 8 years of lurking on APC and you have it all figured out.

So Eagle voted in a contract that was concessionary and lost flying? Was Eagle threatened with "vote for this or go away"? Because if you voted that in, while still keeping your jobs...what is worse? I understand people are mad. Shoot, Pinnacle people are mad about what happened. But, don't come at me all hard when crappy contracts get voted in all over at places, and being liquidated was not a threat.

No way delta could have liquidated pinnacle at a moments notice.

I didn't say overnight every single pilot on the street, and every single airplane turned over the next day. How long did it take to wind down Comair? A few months. The Pinnacle wind down was forecast to be a year if my memory serves. Seems very do-able. I will say again that XJT, SKW, and GJ all stopped hiring shortly after this vote. Coincidence?

There ya go!

Your airline won't have to vote in even lower wages because of those spineless and selfish Pinnacle pilots.

Go live happily ever after.

Haha! Love this video...

Do You Even Lift? - YouTube

Actually that was the whole reason behind my post. US Air has approached American Eagle saying they think were to expensive and would like us to be inline with "pinnacle costs" by 2015.

So basically because Pinnacle has now set the bar even lower than gojet mainlines are coming back after their regionals wanting even lower costs.

The Comair closure was 11-12 years in the making.

So go apply somewhere else if ur not happy at eagle.

Then back to my original post.

Vote No!

Everyone knows they are only bluffing.

Wait Wait I got one........

Why doesn't Texas fall into the Gulf of Mexico?

Because Oklahoma sucks!!!!!

O who?? Oklahoma chokes so much they win the Heimlich trophy every year. And when they strike a pose in the end zone, Desmond Howard style, they put their hands around their neck for style points.

The reason it's so windy in Oklahoma is because Texas sucks and Kansas blows.

No, that's the windmills in Texas blowing the stench back up north.

Sounds like your about to walk through our shoes, I don't wish it on anyone but don't be so quick to judge until you walk in them...

The last time I checked most don't make these kinds of decisions based on how it affects YOU! My family comes first not your job/ QOL at where ever you work...

Wait for it..... wait for it.......



;)

Still waiting

That's right. No airline pilot has ever been forced to make a decision such as you've had too! Simply pathetic. :mad::mad: Can you honestly remember a time when a "regional" has taken 20 steps backwards?

But I guess whatever it takes to "feed your family."

Certain pilots in '84 worked for the same reasons you listed. You aren't (obviously) but my point is just that at the end of the day, pilots are always self-serving and will do only what benefits them and not the greater good. As the general agreement is, the greater good isn't paying your family bills and mortgage.

I feel like this mentality is new! In the past airline negotiations have always been based upon "industry leading plus 2%" I guess our pathetic "me" generation stereo-type will haunt us forever!

Sarcasm legend, dripping in sarcasm.

#1 This vote was a difficult one for some reasons you listed, how about taking a HUGE pay cut. Based off the info we had Delta would hold to promise of shutting us down like Comair. End result live to fight another day.

#2 No one wants to lower the bar but if you look at it the Regional industry as a whole we/you/any regional already did against mainline jobs.

#3 Our pilot cost may be lower but total Pinnacle cost is still higher than GoJet.

I'm a bit defensive when you and others compare our vote on crossing picket lines and being spinless. Stop blaming others for your problems.
I truly wish all the best. Good things to come for most pilots In the next few years. Even at Pinnacle.

you just LOVE to fit that word in whenever you can with some passive-aggresive crap and then when called out say "i didn't call you one but it's the same mindset." Get over it already you over use that word totally out of context more than anyone on APC.