You little punk who do you think you are speaking to us like that?

If you've got the nuts to say that on an anonymous forum then have the backbone to put your real name next to it. That way you don't ever have to ask for a jumpseat ever again because you'll know you won't get one.

Takes a real man to kick a pilot group while they are down.

So come on! Post your real name and certificate number...

Guys like fly sooner are just looking at their personal situation. They were counting on getting 9E's airplanes and moving up just as they did when Comair shut down. They could give two $hits about a few thousand pilots hitting the streets

Everyone jumped by that super seniority....

What happened to your blog man? I was going to read that! Or maybe you are being a bit touchy today ;)

Ill freely admit I'm an "airplane nerd" only reason I'm in this career. I just think at this point every major is bluffing with its regionals. There's not enough of us out there right now for them to quickly hand over 50-100 airplanes of flying to someone else. You can't buy into every fear grenade that mainline lobs at you. Y'all can mock all you want I really don't care what people call me on a stupid Internet forum.

"Aviation nerd" is why you took this job making less than a McDonalds manager the first few years. Just like all the other regional pilots. You are not special, nor are you different than any other regional pilot. So why come on here and throw grenades and bash an entire group. Maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror.

I do and I'm pretty pleased. Let me ask you this. Where do you think this contract will get pinnacle?

Nowhere, it's gonna be status quo, just like ASA/XJT's next contract, just like every other regional contract. We shot ourselves in the foot when we all signed on to get paid $23 bucks an hour flying 76 passengers around. Why do you care anyway, when it's time for your next contract, just vote no, tell your coworkers to vote no. Vote no and tell management to shove it. Tell them you won't work for Pinnacle rates. I guarantee 70 percent won't have the sack to do it.

How long have you known them?

It is smart to fear any pilot from Minnesota. If they have a mustache & long hair, probably best to give them an extra four feet of "personal space." If they have a mustache and no hair, or spiky hair and blonde tips, then it is best to turn and try to leave the area without calling attention to yourself.

Even the Delta MEC is afraid of them.

Your exactly right. I voted no on our contract but 70 something percent did. The cycles got to stop somewhere. I will still be shocked if RAH can even staff their AA flying. We as an entire regional group need to call mainlines bluff. They know deep down that we have all the leverage but until someone stands up to them they'll continue pushing the race to the bottom.

Been lurking around here for about 8 years.

I hear ya man. I'm all for standing up and unity and crap. But that ship has sailed. You don't even see it in the major ranks. I just ask, we are not different than any other regional carrier. We are all here to do the same job and move on and provide for our families. Don't bash and swipe a broad brush at a group of pilots. Isn't that the first bluff in this game?

Good post, you responded better than I did earlier. Regrettably I let him get under my skin yesterday. It's getting old listening to all the couch quarterbacks on here, especially the junior ones to this game. The railway Labor act and other bankruptcy laws makes it impossible to fight a company through a bankruptcy process. The only option I felt like we had was to act with our feet and leave. Either way it's a win win for Delta.

I'm curious to know what would have made you guys vote no? Given the same scenerio of go belly up or bend over, how far would you guys bend over? Now I understand everyones situation is different and some of you have families and so on, so I can't judge. My lifestyle would personally make a no vote easy, but that's irrelevant. How much are we as a group willing to give up?

Yep ... it's dead.


Oh, wait a minute, that's a cow.

I would probably fly for about 2 bucks a year. I would take capt of a 747 for $35 a year. Would be willing to negotiate that rate as long as I get my picture on the cover of the in flight magazine. (For those who can not detect sarcasm this is it) This topic has been talked about enough in my opinion. No one really knows how far they will really go until they are put in that position to choose.

flysooner does have a point. Remember, the threat from Delta was that the entire 9E operation would winddown with one year, and that they have other carriers selected for that flying. There are two things wrong with this. One, you cannot take nearly 200 airplanes out of the DCI system in one year or less. Their threat would be more credible if they gave a longer time specification. But one year is unrealistic, and looking at past history with Comair, a slow dismantling is what would need to happen to remove a huge airplane fleet. And two, where do they think they would get 2,700 pilots in one year to replace these jets at the new company? Maybe 500-700 junior guys will follow the planes, but I have a had time believing RJ Captains will follow the planes to be back on reserve as FO at the new company. Simply put, with the ATP rule going into affect 3 months, there just wouldn't be enough people coming through the pipelines to staff over 180 airplanes in that timeframe. Therefore, it was a bluff. Realistically speaking they could not have done what they were claiming to do in that timeframe.

Oh darn. Where were you during the vote? I could have used your wisdom.

Weren't other DCI carriers hiring at a steady clip until the vote took place and Pinnacle would survive? I thought at that point, the hiring suddenly and simultaneously stopped. It seems to me other places were staffing up to be ready for the fall out.

Do you really think other regionals will attract ATP-rated 1,500+ hr pilots to fly for $23k a year? And even if they do, you think they will get enough of these applicants to fill RJ FO seats?

If I am hearing correctly, RAH both CAN and IS for their jet flying.

Also, was my last post incorrect? I thought that was how events went down.

Isn't Virgin a subpar paying airline? There will always be guys willing to fly for any airline for any pay to build time. Look in the mirror.

It's competitive with Frontier, Allegiant, and Spirit, which are all within the same scope (eg, about 50 airplanes flying as a LCC model). It's unrealistic and not in te dame scope to compare VX pay to legacies. The fair comparison is to other LCCs as mentioned.

Except for the steamer in the sink ....

RAH is going to have a tough time staffing AAs 53 new planes let alone be a 9E replacement. It's unrealistic to do within a year. More realistic would be 2-3 years, which is what the -200 winddown is to begin with. Just 41 planes left, and the new order for 40 planes as a carrot to vote yes. But even this will take through 2016. A fleet that big cannot be parked in 12 months. Look at the current fleet plan.

I was particularly referring to XJT, SKW, and GJ for the 9E flying....I won't go into more details or sources, but from what I can tell, Delta was *not* bluffing and other places were preparing to pick 9E's bones.

You know, I keep hearing RAH won't be able to staff, but even as things get more cataclismic there, they are still filling jet classes. (The Q seems to be its own ball of wax....)

Comair stopped hiring five years before the Pinnacle vote. I don't know about the rest of DCI.

I wonder what Shy would do If everyone put him on their ignore list

Whatever makes you feel better about flying an airbus for subpar wages. No matter how you spin it, you are flying an airbus for subpar wages.

I am not a fan of Shyguy or cherokee whatever he calls himself around here but... With that said, he flies an Airbus with 140ish pax as a FO for the same wages after year one that most of us are flying 76 seat pax around as CA. We all are part of the problem.

So were United, Continental and currently Airways..............

I know. It's amazing how quickly people forget that. Look at AAs current A319 rates, they are worse than some LCCs. Isn't that working for subpar wages? It's bankruptcy. United served under a contract where A320 pilots were topped at CA 137/hr and FO 95/hr on the 12th year scale. This went on for nearly a decade. So subpar wages needs to be taken in context. LCC wages, especially a 50 plane operation, should be compared to other LCCs. It's unrealistic an a different scope to compare to a 700 airplane legacy. They have different economies of scale, different structure, different everything.

Curious, what wouldn't be subpar wages? Will you say United or Delta A320 wages are not subpar? If thats your argument, I would say their contract circa year 2000 paid more in pay, retirement, QOL than they are today. So in comparison to themselves, it's still subpar compared to what they used to have. And besides, it's very ironic for regional guys to be accusing others of subpar wages.

Is DC10GUY a regional guy?

How would I know? Just because he has a widebody screenname doesn't make him a mainline guy. Besides, most people attack here behind an anonymous screenname. You know me, so when I write, I have nothing to hide. To those who name call others with personal insults, why not put your real name to the post?

I'll give you that... You also manage to keep things interesting on here

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I would call yours subpar wages. You applied and accepted a job that offers subpar wages. Yet, call your former employees out. No, I never worked for 9e. Just get off your high horse.

..............??? Is that you shy?

This thread somehow entered into an infinite loop.