Really? Coming from a Go Jetter?

Yeah I don't work for go jet smart one.

Haha ok. My bad!

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Blah blah Pinnacle sucks.

Blah Blah Blah!

You won't get any argument from me or any of the other pilots working here.

Get over it, you are a part of this industry just like everyone else. If you didn't sign up to fly an RJ for whatever measly salary you make then some pilot at a Major would be flying a DC 9 or equivalent airplane for $120 an hour. If you want to assign blame look in the mirror.

Let me clarify, fighting FAIR hard. Colgan's proposal helped every colgan pilot on property - relative. 9E wanted to put their jet CAs in a top category and the FOs below, which is an over reach an overkill when you consider the staple job for Colgan and half of Mesaba. There's a difference between fighting hard smart and fair, and fighting hard stupidly. 9E committee did the latter. I guess it was to be expected when 2/3 of them were gonna be lifers.

Shoulda held the line. ATP rule, new rest rules, right when things are starting to turn around, 9E takes concessions. The rest of the DCI regionals will be screwed when Delta comes and says hey Pinnacle can do it cheaper.

Where's the unity? The ALPA brotherhood? Or, is it like I've said all along, just a bunch of feel-good BS, that no ALPA is going to look out for you and nor do pilots look out for others. It is all 100% self-serving interests! No one will care when you get unemployed. ALPA is a joke. Aloha guys, MidEx guys, they got more help from the government unemployment line than ALPA resources to try and get them jobs at other ALPA carriers. When will the regionals realize that ALPA cannot serve them while serving mainline at the same time. Your growth impedes the major airline pilot jobs! And it's in their best interest to screw you, park your planes, and take back their outsourced flying. ALPa cannot represen the BEST interests for BOTH regionals and majors. Their well-being specifically comes at the cost of the other.

No FO should have voted for that garbage. So what, preserve a 4th year cap at 37/hr? You an make more at Skywest and pocket an extra 1.95% salary with no ALPA. Hell, you can make more as a McDonalds manager and be home every night. And how ironic. The highest paying, and arguably happiest regional pilot group is non-union Skywest. They figured it out a long time ago.

Oh yes because we all know there's so many options out there for a low time guy.

I made more and had more days off flying a 206... Options my @ss

Congrats why'd you leave?

Didn't Eagle just vote in a concessionary contract?

No where remotely close to what pinnacle voted in and for the record I feel the same way about every yes voter here as well.

You're welcome. Is there anything else I can do for you? Perhaps I can wire my signing bonus to you to make up for your lost wages.

How many companies were told vote for this or shut down? If I'm not mistaken both PSA and Piedmont voted in contracts that are said to be mediocre and no threat of shut down with something like 80% approval...

And for the record, I'm pretty sure you almost went to GJ, you talked about it a ton on here. Who is kidding who?

So if it is Xjet that takes concessions, Delta screwed them over. Put if it's Pinnacle, the pilots screwed every one else over. Got it.

HAHA!!!A guy that's been in the industry less than 2 years and hasn't done CRAP or ever had to fight for a contract lecturing about how every one else is the problem!!!!!

see comment above. Grow up and welcome to the business. Should have done some more research. Said mainline is also saying "be in line or COMAIR" genius.

yup I remember that.....and he was asking about Pinnacle alot too. Hyp-O-crite

Just because we voted in concessions doesn't mean your pilot group has to. But I guess you would rather have somebody else fall on the sword.

Right...All these big talkers will soon have their chance to fall on their own swords for the good of others.

EXACTLY. All you guys told us "just say no. That's all you gotta do" That simple Right? Right Eagle? Well just fall on your own sword.....oh right not gonna happen. Then YOU would be unemployed.

Bite me you condescending twerp. You have no idea the B.S. we went through at the hands of Delta. And all clowns like you would do is try to coerce us into voting no without offering any viable solution. And where were you earlier? I don't recall seeing any posts from you on this subject. Now all of the sudden you're upset because you haven't moved up many numbers. I fail to see why it's ok in your mind that hundreds can move backwards or even get furloughed just so you can have a better quality of life. It's *********s like you that almost makes me want to see you guys get knocked off your high horse. Let me guess... you're one of those guys that's too good to say high to fellow pilots also. You've got a lot to learn

I am sorry you feel that way. I wish I didn't have to take a pay cut.

Neat "airline pilot blog" too. If you ever have to match pinnacles offer, you should be able to supplement your income with your blogging skills. So you got that going for you....which is nice.

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Wasn't your union able to stop this kind of atrocity? After all you have a contract, a legally binding document, and you pay 1.95% in representation dues. Oh what, a trip to bankruptcy can toss all that out? And what's this about a company agreeing to a concessionary contract with its pilot group and then not implementing reserve transparency within 4 months as required? The company can basically write to the group "**** you, we aren't really trying, and Flica is too expensive. We'll try and find a way, but don't hold your breath." But you have regional-ALPA and they won't allow that kinda thing.

Shyguy go **** yourself. You are a d bag, get over it we all know you left and I truly hope your happy at VA and hope it works out for you. you seriously need to move on with your life.

The anger is misplaced. Remember, an association takes your dues to represent you. The day they stop representing you and your interests is the day that association needs to be voted out.

There's no anger I have a great life besides my job. I don't know you personally but have heard of you flying the line. you just can't let go of anything to do with pinnacle. Pinnacle, Mesaba, or Colgan pilots didn't ask for the merger or parking airplanes. I have flown with all three groups and they are good guys just trying to survive. Everytime I come on here you have a hard on for everything 9E. Why don't you enjoy your wife, the west coast, and VA. You keep trying to justify your career choices. I work at pinnacle and think the company blows but the guys I fly with are good guys just trying to get by. I'm sure 80KTS will come on here with the butt hurt form. you need to step away from APC and try to enjoy life without constantly telling us how 9E is the worst regional.

Ur welcome. Btw big game bob needs to be fired.

I pointed to ALPA's hypocrisy, their lack of 'one level' representation.

Anything is better than 9E today. Hundreds have already left and no one needs to justify leaving 9E. I have nothing to justify.

Boy pinecolaba pilots are a bit touchy these days eh?

Because USair has a quicker upgrade time than 9E.

Isn't the current most junior A320 CA over there a 1988 DOH? I did read that the E190 went down to a Feb '12 DOH, and that's impressive. However, why did it go junior? It must be the pay/schedule/reserve that must be so bad that senior FOs would forego the upgrade opportunity.

You guys are so defensive because you know it's true.

No we just do not really need another pilot telling us how we should have voted and says thank you for making me take a pay cut in the future. If you do not wish to take the pay cut that vote no and if it passes thank your fellow pilots at your airline and then quit. But I know once you are faced with the choice of pay cut or no job you will blame it on 9E pilots. Even though we were forced to take a pay cut because of other cheap airlines and they were forced because of the same crap. Thinks are not really peachy over here so we really do not want to hear someone spout off about how we have ruined your pay. We are also irritated with ShyGuy having at least 2 or 3 posts per page in every 9E thread.

Just meeting my quota for this page.





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No one has been furloughed, so everyone still has their job. Your point is invalid.

Why does this even bother you anymore?

We just don't need some punk with 2 years in the industry cocking us off. Especially one with a crap "airline pilot blog."

Gotta agree. If you are gonna come on here and slam another pilot group, at least take the corny " I am a cool airline pilot" blog signature out before posting. It just makes you look like an airplane nerd.

Truth is, would it really be a positive thing for the industry to have 2,500 furloughed pilots on the street looking for and taking jobs at first year FO pay at another regional? Talk about a major shift backwards in longevity and a massive windfall for mainline management. Time to re-evaluate what would have really been "good" for the industry. I was willing to call Delta's bluff, but many weren't in a place to take that chance on rolling the dice with their careers.