IMO, most pilots don't get to throw stones about working for less than the next guy. Unless your paycheck is brown or purple, we're all sitting in glass houses. It's all just a matter of degree.

All we can do is keep striving to make our own airlines better places to work. Seems to me that that'll help everybody.

infinite loop circling around shyguy's ego. Seriously go away.

He loves talking cra.. About his former employees while working for low pay flying the the bus as his tag states. (Bus Driver)

With a post like this, I really hope you don't/didn't work for Omni. :) Which.. ahem..... a quick search of your post history... What was the captain pay on the DC-10 there, 96 bucks an hour at a 62 hour guarantee?

Just giving him some crap. For giving his former employees crap. I think I am senior to you. Didn't you work with him.ahem ... Ahem..

I left for DL 8 months or so before Shy hired on at 9E.

I don't want to open up SLI wounds at DL in regard to who's senior to who.

We've all worked for lower pay here and there, just be careful where you through the stones as most of us are in glass houses.

I am not. I believe everyone at his former employer is tired of him throwing stones. He needs to move on. Just think he needs to move on.

He probably does, but that's his prerogative. Most of it is just unsolicited input other than throwing stones, though.

If the SSI does work out and they don't park the 200s (DL has maintained those things are gone AND they will not be taking all the allowable 76 seaters), things may work out very well for those at 9E.

Perhaps he is worried about having made a bad move in hindsight with the very iffy future of VX. Or, considering his other posts in other threads, his wording and sarcasm tends to elicit maximum butthurt wherever and whatever he posts. Maybe some of both?

Yeah old timer?
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
The fact that you still have a job with super-seniority coming from an airline that doesn't exist. Some of them are even in left seats on RJs. But good for you guys, your merger committee fought the fight and tried to get what's best for you. Unlike 9Es........


Well how big was Colgan? 600 pilots? So that's basically all the Colgan pilots. Plus, the chatter back then from the 9L guys was "Oh, we're content on our planes, we don't want bigger jets." Yet, once the first vacancy came out, the majority of the new ATL -900 Captains were Colgan. Go figure.

So shyguy just for you I pulled up the last 3 way seniority list from the new Pinnacolaba mix. It currently shows 2168 active pilots at the company. Of those 2168 pilots 312 are premerger colgan pilots. That is half the original pilot group ( so half, let me repeat that half of the colgan pilots already quit!) and that ratio of pilots is 14.3% of the new pilot group. Of the 312 active pilots there are 168 colgan pilots that are captains currently showing on the seniority list. I know 5 people that have quit since that seniority list was published on april 1st. So 163 out of 2168 is 7.7% of the pilot group are colgan captains. Also, since you keep saying that all the 900 captains slots are colgan I added up all the colgan pilots and you know how many there are ? 12 total on the entire list 12?! That is .05% of the pilot group that is currently active. The most junior colgan 900 ca was hired in June of 04. So the Colgan guys did not make it out that great as you keep posting.

Doesn't matter what seat I hold as I haven't seen an airplane in forever!

Really? And who do you fly for? Any legacy carrier? Fact, you make less today compared to your 2000 contract. So you are also working for subpar wages. And you make it sound like I had my choosing of the litter. None of the legacies were hiring at the end of 2011. Only Spirit and VX were hiring.

And no, I don't have another screenname here. If you haven't noticed, I'm vocal about what I believe and do not have to hide behind another screenname to say it. I have only one here.

Way to not reply to Saabs who totally called you out with facts and hard evidence. You do know what that is, don't you? I understand it's been a while since you've actually seen any facts, versus the made up reality that exists in your mind, but maybe you should read what he wrote.

Trying to give me crap about supar wages whlie you are ex-Omni? Confused :confused:


The second part is accurate, but the bold portion is no way. The last 1.5 years of my life have been the best. Even if it tanks, I'll always cherish my time at the best employer I've worked at so far. I have plenty of time in aviation, so I'm not worried.

I can only write so much on an iPhone. At the time I was in a van on the way to a hotel. Had some food, and now on a computer. Not everyone can respond to everybody at once. Here's my reply.

Yes, this is the case *now.* May 2013. My reference was in a different timeframe, end of 2011 to be exact. "Plus, the chatter back then from the 9L guys was "Oh, we're content on our planes, we don't want bigger jets." Yet, once the first vacancy came out, the majority of the new ATL -900 Captains were Colgan. Go figure." This was around when the first mother of all vacancies was out, and it included the closing of the Mesaba Saab bases and the closing of the BOS US Airways express flying. There was a smaller (one or two) of these and then a big vacancy realignment. This was still when the Qs were around and so were the Colgan Saabs. The talk was the Q guys would stick with those and had no interest for the RJ9s. Yet, once that huge realignment award came out, the majority of the ATL -900 awards (as in more than 50%) were Colgan guys. And of course, Q400 captains were mostly Colgan because of their 193 quota. A few XJ/9E pilots did get the Q CA slot once the 193 quota was filled, but very very few. Now today, in May 2013, of course it's not the same. The Saabs are gone, the Qs too, and the ATL-900. So your analysis is not surprising, because it is a harsh reality of today, not end of 2011. There are less jobs available. Make no mistake, the only reason 9E hasn't furloughed involuntarily so far is because attrition has been very high with guys bailing off a sinking ship.

Yep, I did work for Omni. After 3 plus years on furlough, I did . I don't go ripping on my ex coworkers. I believe you work with some at virgin. I do hope everything works out the way you want. You do know aviation is a very small community. If I was you I would tone it down. Just some friendly advice.

That's what I keep telling this guy but he won't listen. Aviation is a small community, a very small community. Pilots have long memories. They don't easily forget.

There is a lot of anger here, everyone needs to relax a little. Life is short :). The PNCL pilots got screwed by big brother, there really wasn't much they could do. it is a lot easier to say they should have voted no, but until you or I are in that position not really our jobs to tell them how to vote. I wish they voted no but easier to say that from the outside looking in.

Rant over

Flysooner, I would heed this advice too. Many of these current or former Pinnacle pilots you **** on WILL or ALREADY Do have influence over hiring boards at a major/legacy/LCC. Not too hard to throw a resume of an OU graduate that got hired on at Eagle in late 2011 with a pansy ass blog into the circular file.

Whoa whoa whoa, while true and agreed on most parts, how in the world can you say CURRENT pinnacle ( or any pilot at a different airline) has influence over the hiring boards at a Major or LCC in which they do not work?

ever heard of friends, relatives or former coworkers? Lots of Pinnacle (or OAL)pilots have friends, and tons have relatives, at a major, either on the hiring board or with an influence, who they could easily call up and say "I heard Bill is applying/interviewing at your airline. He is a donkey butt I wouldn't hire him." Trust me I've done it before and it worked.

I'm sure most of us are a lot more personable in real life.

Are you kidding me? Aviation is a small world... You would be wise to remember that.

When was the last time you flew?

Well, I am not an idiot, we ALL have connections. Just wouldn't make claims of having influence is all.

If you'd rather share your cockpit with an internet warrior in momma's basement, go right ahead. I'll take the guy that has the balls to say to my face what he types. Preferably right before he asks for a jumpseat.

When did you get so sensitive all of a sudden? I never called nor implied you were an idiot. You asked me a question, I answered it. Now go back continue watching the Young and the Restless. ;):)
And I'm not sure who you know, must not be the right people, but if you've been involved in this industry (not just as a pilot either) for a decent amount of time, you know people with connections and influence. Especially if you have a relative in the industry.

That was kinda to both you and Anthony. Sorry... I know what you meant, I just didn't understand the claim of it being such a sure thing. Also trying to ruin someones career over the internet is a little extreme. Now if you flew with someone and knew them personally I could understand it a little more if you felt so strongly. And the second part remains to be seen :) Hopefully it is...but that is not the point of this.

Not saying I disagree, just saying a lot of people u probably wouldn't ever know they were the same people in real life. Also hard to detect sarcasm sometimes on here as well.

Last summer..... Should be soon though!

god that's awesome

This thread is great.

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there's a big difference in sarcasm and some little punk saying "you suck thanks for ruining my 2 year upgrade and pay you should have put yourself out of a job so I could keep my QOL" basically :)

For anyone that got that bent out of shape about my comment needs some thicker skin.

actually, you just need to grow up and stop throwing stones from your glass house and perpetuating this "my crappy regional is better than yours and I myself am the reason for all that is good at mine!" game.

Haha wow ok.

Oh, you're right. Silly me, just another insulting comment from a guy that doesn't have the brains or experience to think about what he says before he says it. How about owning up to what you said and realize you were insensitive. You were upset because you only moved up 20 numbers or so and you're going to continue to move up slow because now you're not getting Pinnacles airplanes to help you on your career quest at others expense. There are a lot pf people who have it worse. It sucks over here at Pinnacle, but I have to remember it could be worse. I can't wait to get out, but I will not start over at another regional. This industry is very cyclical, and right now it's the regionals turn to get pounded on.

Hahahaa! It was on a trip, I was going to a hotel.

I don't think flysooner said anything bad? He stated his opinion and he has right to do so. Which is the same as me, my personal opinion that one should never vote yes to a paycut if given a choice to vote yes/no. But again, these are opinions. It doesn't make you a lesser person if you do so. I don't think I've ever name-called you or anyone who voted yes. All I've maintained is that personally I would say no. I don't think less of you or your colleagues (except those Colgan ones who have high career expectations ;)) I get the feeling some think I harbor some negative feelings for 9E people, and that just isn't true. There were a lot of good guys there, guys I miss flying with. Good people who deserve to get out to better places, and I wish they get the chance. Please do not confuse my opinions on concessions or the SSP for somehow being that I wish ill on you or your colleagues.

I'm curious, would you really actually deny me a jumpseat over APC quarrels?

I agree with this. I've come across cases where one thing was written and then when talking in person, they meant something else. Or sarcasm was missed. Bottom line, I cannot judge someone in person for online posts, until I get to know (or fly with) in-person.

I got accused of this on airlinks back in the day, but I don't ever recall telling guys to quit so I could move up. Now I may have joked "you're still here!" with some of the vocal CAs over there, but all in good fun and not saying they were holding me down career-wise. Bloch is the one primarily responsible for that, not you or your colleagues. There was one particular FO (who was fired, and then the union got his job back) who was very vocal and talked along those lines like you are saying. Maybe I was confused for him.