Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1393489)

So does Delta have to hire any or just offer interviews? Could they run through the entire list and only hire a handful? What outs does Delta have to weed out the undesirables?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1393462)

Nope.. read the bridge agreement. Once they've been through everyone that qualifies, it's over.

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1393510)

Outside the grandfathered Mesaba flow guys, they don't HAVE to hire anyone, just offer an interview.

Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1393351)

Not quite



Exhaustion of Hiring Commitment.
Delta’s hiring commitment under Section 3.e. will be exhausted and become null and void upon the date the most junior Pinnacle pilot on the seniority list as of the date of ratification of a new restructured Pinnacle pilot collective bargaining agreement is offered an opportunity to participate in the SSP in seniority order, provided, however, that any Pinnacle pilot who retains a repeat opportunity under Section 3.d. upon the date the hiring commitment is exhausted, or would obtain an opportunity to repeat the process within twelve (12) months of such date, will be afforded the opportunity to repeat the process upon his request. Such repeat opportunities will be scheduled at a minimum rate of 20 per month for the number of months in which Delta anticipates offering new hire pilot positions.

Repeat Opportunities to Participate in the SSP.
An eligible Pinnacle pilot may be provided an opportunity to repeat the SSP if the pilot:
i. did not successfully pass any objective testing element of the selection process, or
ii. is potentially qualified to be provided with a conditional job offer but is not competitive with other applicants who had previously or are being provided with conditional job offers.
Such opportunity to repeat the SSP will only be afforded if the Pinnacle pilot maintains his eligibility as described above, requests to repeat the process and at least twelve months have passed since the previous date of participation in the SSP. A pilot who would otherwise be considered for a repeat opportunity will forfeit any such opportunity in the event he fails to request a repeat opportunity upon the exhaustion of the SSP, as set forth below.

Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 1393526)

Sorry, Im not smart and I like information spoon-fed to me. Since I'm not down with all the airline mumbo-jumbo does this mean if you don't work for Delta or Pinnacle your chances of becoming a pilot for Delta Airlines (not flying an RJ) just got harder?

I see it as all of those retirements that were supposed to happen and the need for pilots once the 737-900's and 717's start working their way in have found a solution and Delta may never need to hire off the street again.

Really feel bad for anyone out there just going to school. Pilot shortage? What?

Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 1393526)

Sorry, Im not smart and I like information spoon-fed to me. Since I'm not down with all the airline mumbo-jumbo does this mean if you don't work for Delta or Pinnacle your chances of becoming a pilot for Delta Airlines (not flying an RJ) just got harder?

I see it as all of those retirements that were supposed to happen and the need for pilots once the 737-900's and 717's start working their way in have found a solution and Delta may never need to hire off the street again.

Really feel bad for anyone out there just going to school. Pilot shortage? What?

Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 1393543)

Short answer is no. The Pinnacle pilots get to interview with Delta. There is no guarantee that they have or will get a job at Delta. If that is a picture of you setting in the cockpit of your avatar, you have a h*** of a shot to get on at Delta. Its not like ONLY Pinnacle pilots will be interviewed by Delta when they start hiring again. And your chances just got better, to get job at Delta, because I just quit Pinnacle yesterday. Good luck, my the force be with you.

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393547)

Did you read my post?

1/3 of a newhire class at DAL WILL be 9E pilots as part of the Bridge agreement.

Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 1393543)

Short answer is no. The Pinnacle pilots get to interview with Delta. There is no guarantee that they have or will get a job at Delta. If that is a picture of you setting in the cockpit of your avatar, you have a h*** of a shot to get on at Delta. Its not like ONLY Pinnacle pilots will be interviewed by Delta when they start hiring again. And your chances just got better, to get job at Delta, because I just quit Pinnacle yesterday. And don't believe all this c*** about a pilot shortage, there is not one. Good luck, may the force be with you.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1393444)

The un-hireable personalities included? Remember, 9E has taken guys without even having any interviews. Straight from an approved college program into a 9E newhire class. There's a big difference between RJ flying and mainline flying. On a RJ, you can hire a bad personality and not have to put up with it for more than an hour to two hours. At Delta, you have 737, 75/76, 777, etc, and have to fly with guys for 7-12+ hours. Here, you need to make sure you weed out as best as possible all the bad personalities.

Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1393559)

Another negative Nancy

Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1393559)

Another negative Nancy

Originally Posted by Andrew_VT (Post 1393606)

He just quit Pinnacle yesterday, so he's allowed to be negative. Moving up in the world Pogey or out of the game altogether?

Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 1393615)

Moving up.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1393444)

On a RJ, you can hire a bad personality and not have to put up with it for more than an hour to two hours. At Delta, you have 737, 75/76, 777, etc, and have to fly with guys for 7-12+ hours. Here, you need to make sure you weed out as best as possible all the bad personalities.

Originally Posted by Herman (Post 1392896)

I hope that you are right. Flow will destroy the character and strength of Delta Air Lines. Many of us have already seen it 1st hand. The entitlement attitude, youthful naivete and general lack of professionalism is disturbing. If one wishes to join the ranks of Delta, then work hard, study hard, and for heaven sakes, fill out an application. Otherwise may I suggest Virgin America...I think they may be hiring.

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393547)

Did you read my post?

1/3 of a newhire class at DAL WILL be 9E pilots as part of the Bridge agreement.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1393784)

Hopefully you are not one of them. We do not need your arrogance here. I am guessing you went to the Gulfstream Academy.

Originally Posted by 1forflying (Post 1393515)

You both are right. While technically it's over if you keep reading, those due a repeat will get their chance regardless.

Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1393727)

I need you to teach me Prefbid to get those 1-2 hour a day schedules! Lord knows most of us fly 4-6 legs a day with 12 hours duty with the same guy! 4 days in a row! ;)

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1393830)

Every XJ/9E/9L FO needs to read this statement:



and realize they will not be hired when Delta tells them that all the street candidates are RJ Captains with TPIC time and therefore you are not competitive with the other applicants getting conditional job offers.

I honestly think a lot of people are going to be disappointed by how this Delta SSP is going to really work out in the end.

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393837)

Why don't you quote the portion that says 1/3 of all applicants offered jobs will be 9E?

Doesn't fit with your rhetoric?

Originally Posted by shimmydamp (Post 1393847)

Amazing how Shy finds so many silver linings in the sky when it comes to defending VX, but when it comes to 9E, everything is viewed as dark clouds and thunder. Some deep-seated issues going on with you man.

If you want to talk about bad attitudes of pilots moving on, to tell you the truth I wouldn't want to fly with someone bringing up the resentment of their past employer the entire time on trans-con flight.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1393842)

Ask yourself this. What if all the guys interviewing are jerks, or bad interviewers, or go in feeling entitled. Will Delta deny them or meet a quota that you seem to love quoting?

Also, Delta can offer a conditional offer, and on day 3 take it back. Some guys had this happen with the shrink exam portion. So it goes back to:

" is potentially qualified to be provided with a conditional job offer but is not competitive with other applicants who had previously or are being provided with conditional job offers. "

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393793)

How is that arrogance?

Whether the bridge agreement happens or not remains to be seen, but that is the process that is in place right now if classes started today.

Nothing I have said is arrogant or entitled.

You on the other hand.......

Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1393859)

It's his mission to bring everyone else down. Hence the old saying, misery loves company

Originally Posted by shimmydamp (Post 1393847)

Amazing how Shy finds so many silver linings in the sky when it comes to defending VX, but when it comes to 9E, everything is viewed as dark clouds and thunder. Some deep-seated issues going on with you man.

If you want to talk about bad attitudes of pilots moving on, to tell you the truth I wouldn't want to fly with someone bringing up the resentment of their past employer the entire time on trans-con flight.

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393860)

There are at least 1500 pilots at 9E that are competitive with the rest of the Regionals.

And the first 500 are probably more qualified than most Regionals.

Thats a lot of classes to go through. At 12 9E pilots a month that is 42 months. Even if they turned down a third of the pilots = 330, which is 28 months.

I doubt they will waste their time turning every single pilot down over and over again.

This is their objective anyway, they need to clean out the top of 9E to keep costs low.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1393874)

You do realize the top of the 9E list (or any list for that matter) isn't cleaned out for a reason right? (And only some of them the reason is that they are content and staying for life).

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393881)

Oh, I'm well aware of the some D-bags at the top of the 9E list, but most of the XJ guys are fine and they make up most of the top 500 anyway.

I bet most people have changed their opinion of staying at 9E (XJ flow bypass guys included.)

Delta will hire some of the D-bags anyway, they already have.

Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1393767)

I don't know of a single flow pilot who had any "entitlement attitude" as you put it. None were young and naivete as you put it. Most were well into their 30's and had 15 years of 121 time, most as a Captain. I guess that makes us unprofessional and entitled :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1393881)

Oh, I'm well aware of the some D-bags at the top of the 9E list, but most of the XJ guys are fine and they make up most of the top 500 anyway.

I bet most people have changed their opinion of staying at 9E (XJ flow bypass guys included.)

Delta will hire some of the D-bags anyway, they already have




Most of 9E people are good as well. No different than any airline out there. I have to look again but the top 500 is close to 50/50 9E/XJ.

How do you know someone doesnt think your a D-Bag?

Originally Posted by legend (Post 1393913)

Most of 9E people are good as well. No different than any airline out there. I have to look again but the top 500 is close to 50/50 9E/XJ.

How do you know someone doesnt think your a D-Bag?

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1393826)

wth? If Delta didn't want you the first time, probably won't want you a second time either. It's not like there is a sim eval that you can really screw up. All of it is computerized testing, HR type questions in where you have to be yourself. Then a wildcard shrink portion, but still.