SKW EMB pilots get shafted!
12-03-2006, 05:39 PM
#21
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So, what you are saying is that you are guaranteed 10+ hours credit over your block?
These are averages. I've had higher and lower, but on average I get 10-15 hours more pay than I fly. It's because we have daily guarantees and additional guarantees for working over 12 hours of duty. Plus we get the higher of Actual Block and Leg Credit (which is historic block). Over the course of a month it sure adds up.
Originally Posted by JetJock16
So, what you are saying is that you are guaranteed 10+ hours credit over your block?
12-03-2006, 05:40 PM
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The whole not making a profit, lets take it from the employees stuff is a bunch of bull sh!t. If you aren't making enough money, try charging enough for your product. If the cost of beef goes up, you dont see McDonalds lowering its wages. Your happy meal costs more. My wife bought a ticket from DFW to ORD for a business trip the other day. It leaves this thursday. Round trip cost, $153 including all taxes and fees. A coworker also bought a ticket after that one for about the same price. Prices need to go up instead of pay going down.
Here! Here!
Originally Posted by BALZAHARI
The whole not making a profit, lets take it from the employees stuff is a bunch of bull sh!t. If you aren't making enough money, try charging enough for your product. If the cost of beef goes up, you dont see McDonalds lowering its wages. Your happy meal costs more. My wife bought a ticket from DFW to ORD for a business trip the other day. It leaves this thursday. Round trip cost, $153 including all taxes and fees. A coworker also bought a ticket after that one for about the same price. Prices need to go up instead of pay going down.
12-04-2006, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BALZAHARI
I'm still waiting for you to show me where Skywest is "tops".
And your Horizon argument is funny, what do you suggest? We keep lowering the bar because management says they aren't making enough profit? No thanks, are you management?
And your Horizon argument is funny, what do you suggest? We keep lowering the bar because management says they aren't making enough profit? No thanks, are you management?
One of these days I'm gonna come on to this forum and see you post something that doesn't bash a quality airline like SkyWest. I thought you admitted that SkyWest was obviously a great place to be, and wasn't lowering the bar. Oh yea, and I haven't looked at it in really close detail, but I'm pretty sure our 50 pay is either tops or really really close to tops.
12-05-2006, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BALZAHARI
Uh, you might want to check your #'s, I'll give you the 50 seat by a few bucks, but you said 200/700/900 . I'm looking at ASA's 11 year 700 rate at $83, Skywest's at $76., and ASA is negotiating. American Eagle 700 $83, 50 seat $79, Comair 700, $96, 50 seat $86, Republic 700 $83, 50 seat $79. This is for an 11 year Captain. Is that your version of TOP of the industry?
Dude, quit drinking the Kool-aid. You're the one that asked you're kidding..
Dude, quit drinking the Kool-aid. You're the one that asked you're kidding..
12-05-2006, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
After all, they are loosing flying. AND, you smoke to much if you think Jerry will pay his "Step Child" more than his "Son."
You're a pilot, math shouldn't be that hard. I know that the above numbers are nothing to brag about but if we’re going to compare numbers make sure there apples to apples.
P.S. I said that our pay is “Top of the Industry” not “Industry Leading.”
Puff, Puff, Give SMOKEY!
You're a pilot, math shouldn't be that hard. I know that the above numbers are nothing to brag about but if we’re going to compare numbers make sure there apples to apples.
P.S. I said that our pay is “Top of the Industry” not “Industry Leading.”
Puff, Puff, Give SMOKEY!
First off, why don't you give us the numbers on ASA "losing flying". Tell us how many routes ASA has lost since the acquisition. (I'll help you, we're only ENTITLED to 80% of ATL by the Delta agreement). Oh, and do you HONESTLY believe you will get the Comair stuff?
Second of all, it's not about what Jerry WANTS to pay his redneck stepkids, it's about what our union will MAKE him pay. And you should be praying to the deity of your choice that we top your current pay or you can expect to bend over and lose flying to us.
I'm here to tell you, the ASA pilots are getting tired of hearing the high and mighty Skywest pilots speak ill of us. With one stroke of a pen we could undercut you and take YOUR routes.
12-05-2006, 06:40 AM
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Yep, ALPA is going to MAKE SkyWest, Inc. pay them more and actually pay pilots what they are worth... just like Trans States pilots are going to get more, Mesa pilots are going to get more, who else is going to get more??? Because we as pilots are going to MAKE management pay us more? I can't believe that it has taken four years for management not to come to terms with you guys when you are going to MAKE them pay you...
From what I have heard, the transfer of flying has occured because of how bad ASA's management is, not because of SkyWest undercutting ASA. But, I am not management, just what I have heard on the line.
How did you guys get the Frontier flying?
From what I have heard, the transfer of flying has occured because of how bad ASA's management is, not because of SkyWest undercutting ASA. But, I am not management, just what I have heard on the line.
How did you guys get the Frontier flying?
12-05-2006, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
You shouldn't talk about things you don't understand, Brasilia Boy.
First off, why don't you give us the numbers on ASA "losing flying". Tell us how many routes ASA has lost since the acquisition. (I'll help you, we're only ENTITLED to 80% of ATL by the Delta agreement). Oh, and do you HONESTLY believe you will get the Comair stuff?
Second of all, it's not about what Jerry WANTS to pay his redneck stepkids, it's about what our union will MAKE him pay. And you should be praying to the deity of your choice that we top your current pay or you can expect to bend over and lose flying to us.
I'm here to tell you, the ASA pilots are getting tired of hearing the high and mighty Skywest pilots speak ill of us. With one stroke of a pen we could undercut you and take YOUR routes.
First off, why don't you give us the numbers on ASA "losing flying". Tell us how many routes ASA has lost since the acquisition. (I'll help you, we're only ENTITLED to 80% of ATL by the Delta agreement). Oh, and do you HONESTLY believe you will get the Comair stuff?
Second of all, it's not about what Jerry WANTS to pay his redneck stepkids, it's about what our union will MAKE him pay. And you should be praying to the deity of your choice that we top your current pay or you can expect to bend over and lose flying to us.
I'm here to tell you, the ASA pilots are getting tired of hearing the high and mighty Skywest pilots speak ill of us. With one stroke of a pen we could undercut you and take YOUR routes.
That's a very dangerous attitude...for all of us. Most SKW pilots don't want ASA flying and are pulling for you guys on the contract. A few new hires are falling all over themselves, but what do you expect? They are not representative of the group as a whole, and will learn soon enough.
SKW has enormous growth opportunities, so it makes no sense to expend all of our training resources to replace pilots from another SKW owned unit! I would much rather replace mesa in the west rather than ASA in the east.
I did overhear some ASA guys in airport restaruant a couple months ago...the conversation went something like "I sure hope SKW votes in ALPA...then we can merge lists with DOH and all the ASA FO's can come west and be captains"
That certainly got my attention, and I repeated that conversation to about 100 SKW pilots. Situations like this cannot help the two groups come together.Maybe ASA alpa and the SKW alpa comittee should get together and hash out a fair integration plan, and then publicize it. That would take away one of the major uncertainies with the SKW alpa drive. I want to achieve unity and equitable integration with ASA, it's the only way in the long run. But I'm a rocky mountain homeboy, and I sure as h#ell don't want to be sitting reserve in hotlanta...alpa scares the heck out of me in that regard. If I wanted to work for an east coast airline, I would have done that a long time ago.
12-05-2006, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's a very dangerous attitude...for all of us. Most SKW pilots don't want ASA flying and are pulling for you guys on the contract. A few new hires are falling all over themselves, but what do you expect? They are not representative of the group as a whole, and will learn soon enough.
SKW has enormous growth opportunities, so it makes no sense to expend all of our training resources to replace pilots from another SKW owned unit! I would much rather replace mesa in the west rather than ASA in the east.
I did overhear some ASA guys in airport restaruant a couple months ago...the conversation went something like "I sure hope SKW votes in ALPA...then we can merge lists with DOH and all the ASA FO's can come west and be captains" That certainly got my attention, and I repeated that conversation to about 100 SKW pilots. Situations like this cannot help the two groups come together.
Maybe ASA alpa and the SKW alpa comittee should get together and hash out a fair integration plan, and then publicize it. That would take away one of the major uncertainies with the SKW alpa drive. I want to achieve unity and equitable integration with ASA, it's the only way in the long run. But I'm a rocky mountain homeboy, and I sure as h#ell don't want to be sitting reserve in hotlanta...alpa scares the heck out of me in that regard. If I wanted to work for an east coast airline, I would have done that a long time ago.
SKW has enormous growth opportunities, so it makes no sense to expend all of our training resources to replace pilots from another SKW owned unit! I would much rather replace mesa in the west rather than ASA in the east.
I did overhear some ASA guys in airport restaruant a couple months ago...the conversation went something like "I sure hope SKW votes in ALPA...then we can merge lists with DOH and all the ASA FO's can come west and be captains"
That certainly got my attention, and I repeated that conversation to about 100 SKW pilots. Situations like this cannot help the two groups come together.Maybe ASA alpa and the SKW alpa comittee should get together and hash out a fair integration plan, and then publicize it. That would take away one of the major uncertainies with the SKW alpa drive. I want to achieve unity and equitable integration with ASA, it's the only way in the long run. But I'm a rocky mountain homeboy, and I sure as h#ell don't want to be sitting reserve in hotlanta...alpa scares the heck out of me in that regard. If I wanted to work for an east coast airline, I would have done that a long time ago.
Then maybe your pilot group should reign in your newhires and convince them to quit saying stupid and inflammatory things towards us on the web!
In a DOH merger, we have the seniority. There is zero precedent for a staple. The only fair method would be % relative seniority with domicile and aircraft fences.
12-05-2006, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Koolaidman
Yep, ALPA is going to MAKE SkyWest, Inc. pay them more and actually pay pilots what they are worth... just like Trans States pilots are going to get more, Mesa pilots are going to get more, who else is going to get more??? Because we as pilots are going to MAKE management pay us more? I can't believe that it has taken four years for management not to come to terms with you guys when you are going to MAKE them pay you...
From what I have heard, the transfer of flying has occured because of how bad ASA's management is, not because of SkyWest undercutting ASA. But, I am not management, just what I have heard on the line.
How did you guys get the Frontier flying?
From what I have heard, the transfer of flying has occured because of how bad ASA's management is, not because of SkyWest undercutting ASA. But, I am not management, just what I have heard on the line.
How did you guys get the Frontier flying?
The four years was the result of Delta instructing our previous management to stall.
As for "making" them pay, we have a 400 pound gorilla called the Railway Labor Act on our side. Ocasionally it does work. ALPA requested a release to a 30 day cooling off period prior to a strike, and instead of rejecting it, the NMB gave ASA one last chance to negotiate the contract. We are closer to a strike than ever before, and suddenly management is tripping over themselves to settle. I'm willing to place a friendly bet that we DO get more.
12-05-2006, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
Then maybe your pilot group should reign in your newhires and convince them to quit saying stupid and inflammatory things towards us on the web!
Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
In a DOH merger, we have the seniority. There is zero precedent for a staple. The only fair method would be % relative seniority with domicile and aircraft fences.
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