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What 07-15-2013 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1445152)
Like I said, Im gonna ride this puppy till it crashes and burn.

Vote NO.

No sir, you have been switching between how to vote... you will crumble and vote yes. You are weak and thrive on spreading fear to the younger ranks. You will understand that this will not really hurt the up and coming pilots but will severely hurt the senior pilot. You will vote yes!!!

RJ Pilot 07-15-2013 06:13 AM

You are right,I really don't care what happens here. If we get to vote, I will flip a coin and vote based on that.

The company already knows what the future is regardless of a yes or no vote.

We Dont have any control over it.

8hourrule 07-15-2013 06:15 AM

Another depressing letter
 
If you research the beginnings of compass you will see why I refer to it as a B scale airline. Not trying to give anyone a history lesson today. I just was trying attempting to bring you back to reality a little bit. Compass is no better...... or worse than any other regional. Look it up. It's beginnings are not as squeaky clean as you think they are.

paxhauler85 07-15-2013 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by 8hourrule (Post 1445172)
If you research the beginnings of compass you will see why I refer to it as a B scale airline. Not trying to give anyone a history lesson today. I just was trying attempting to bring you back to reality a little bit. Compass is no better...... or worse than any other regional. Look it up. It's beginnings are not as squeaky clean as you think they are.

NWA bankruptcy, management wanted 76-seat lift and to park some DC-9s. NWA and ALPA negotiated the creation of Compass. Part of the compromise was that it was a place for NWA pilots to go in case of a furlough (flow-down), and in turn it would be a "breeding ground" for future NWA pilots. The NWA MEC negotiated the contract, and we remained under Delta's MEC control until 2009.

Where's the conspiracy?

I'm not saying Compass is anything but a regional airline. Just pointing out that they hadn't signed a concessionary contract nor had they been created as GoJets was.

frankwasright 07-15-2013 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1445135)
You think that's bad, wait until this afternoon. The AE MEC is about to vote on concessions that include a B Scale.

Hang on a sec...Maybe that is what is needed.How about offering an "up and out" policy :You agree to upgrade at the first offer-no holding out for a better base,etc.Then,after two years-that's it,you're gone.You should have 1,000 pic or better and it would solve the "lifer problem".Pay about $50/hr.,no matching 401K,minimal insurance,but hey,the "I'm just here for the 1,000 PIC and I'm out" crowd would be happy,hmmm ? Plus,it would not affect anyone currently on the property.You're welcome.

8hourrule 07-15-2013 06:34 AM

Another depressing letter
 
They have not been around long enough to take a concessionary contract. When it's there turn they will. Please don't get me wrong here. I am not attacking compass at all. I just cannot stand the my regional is better than your regional stuff. Fly safe. CYA.

MrMustache 07-15-2013 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by 8hourrule (Post 1445172)
If you research the beginnings of compass you will see why I refer to it as a B scale airline. Not trying to give anyone a history lesson today. I just was trying attempting to bring you back to reality a little bit. Compass is no better...... or worse than any other regional. Look it up. It's beginnings are not as squeaky clean as you think they are.

I am well aware of it considering some of my relatives had to vote on it. But they are still not like GJ or the new 9E, still a regional though you're right about that.

Bartok 07-15-2013 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by frankwasright (Post 1445125)
Yes,it is.An alliance between airlines would be nice.I doubt that would ever happen.Most people do not have the stomach for what SHOULD happen,to wit : Compas/Pinnacle/Go Jets would be excluded in everything -no jumpseats,no hiring from there,etc.Companies that vote for paycuts need to be cut off and die on the vine.

Good luck finding many companies that have never voted in concessions at any level.

Your list is about to get a lot bigger also, as all of the remaining regionals will vote in concessions.

What 07-15-2013 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1445170)

The company already knows what the future is regardless of a yes or no vote.

We Dont have any control over it.

I am only going to say this one... I agree with you 100% :D

What 07-15-2013 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 1445178)
NWA bankruptcy, management wanted 76-seat lift and to park some DC-9s. NWA and ALPA negotiated the creation of Compass. Part of the compromise was that it was a place for NWA pilots to go in case of a furlough (flow-down), and in turn it would be a "breeding ground" for future NWA pilots. The NWA MEC negotiated the contract, and we remained under Delta's MEC control until 2009.

Where's the conspiracy?

I'm not saying Compass is anything but a regional airline. Just pointing out that they hadn't signed a concessionary contract nor had they been created as GoJets was.

It might not have been created as GoJet was but it was created a B scale workplace. Yes regionals are all B scales but Compass was built as a B scale operator. AA is trying to build something similar with Eagle. They are talking about hiring guys under a B scale but with the ability to go to AA in a flow sometime in the future. We know flows haven't worked but they continue to reinvent the wheel.


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