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What 07-15-2013 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by frankwasright (Post 1445182)
Hang on a sec...Maybe that is what is needed.How about offering an "up and out" policy :You agree to upgrade at the first offer-no holding out for a better base,etc.Then,after two years-that's it,you're gone.You should have 1,000 pic or better and it would solve the "lifer problem".Pay about $50/hr.,no matching 401K,minimal insurance,but hey,the "I'm just here for the 1,000 PIC and I'm out" crowd would be happy,hmmm ? Plus,it would not affect anyone currently on the property.You're welcome.

The new ATP regs require a pilot to obtain 1000 SIC in a 121 operation so at a minimum you will have 2+ years as an FO, then if they want you to have to have 1000 Tpic then that's another two years. The B scale is not for new hires, the B scale will become reality for all pilots on property and at other regionals.

What 07-15-2013 07:55 AM

I am waiting on my reps response but the word is that the proposal was voted down.

450knotOffice 07-15-2013 08:30 AM

I hope so. For once, we should hold the line.

RJ Pilot 07-15-2013 09:26 AM

This will be the end for Eagle as we know it.

The right thing was done.

What 07-15-2013 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1445280)
This will be the end for Eagle as we know it.

The right thing was done.

Why do you say it will be the end of Eagle?

We have cost comparable to RAH, our biggest competitor today. We cost less than SKW inc, another competitor but we cost more than Pinnacle whom AMR can't contract with. In 2016 AMR will get an adjustment that will ensure they are getting feed at prices of the two lowest regionals with comparable size. A B scale for new hires is not going to decide whether they will re fleet eagle. Companies willing to assume all liability, acquire the airframes, allow for multiple exit and adjustment clauses and willingness to underbid everyone else is what will decide this factor. AMR is currently spending a significant amount of money on new hires. The B Scale was about driving the whole industry down and putting you under such scale between now and 2016.

I don't think this will influence them one bit.

What 07-15-2013 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1445280)
This will be the end for Eagle as we know it.

The right thing was done.

Wait a minute, I thought you said that the vote wouldn't affect the outcome?!?!?!?!



Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1445170)
You are right,I really don't care what happens here. If we get to vote, I will flip a coin and vote based on that.

The company already knows what the future is regardless of a yes or no vote.

We Dont have any control over it.

I don't even find you funny anymore, you might be a bit crazy and don't even know what you post anymore, you post to spread fear. You are always contradicting yourself. You sir are delusional :(

PilotJ3 07-15-2013 09:44 AM


I hope so. For once, we should hold the line.
It's official. Now is up to other regionals to say NO!!!



Fellow American Eagle pilots:

This morning the MEC convened via telephone and passed the following motion regarding US Airways’ proposal to the EGL MEC:

The concept of a B scale is unacceptable and thus this document is unacceptable and shall NOT be sent for pilot ratification; further the MEC hereby declines any further negotiations with a reference to a B scale.

As you may be aware, US Airways and Eagle management had provided the Eagle MEC with this most recent proposal and stated that it was unable to come off of the B-Scale concept. Although this most recent offer contained a fleet plan, guaranteed by the mainline, which included the delivery of “large RJ” aircraft, and a slightly increased flow to AA, the MEC overwhelmingly decided that the introduction of a B-Scale into the regional industry was not an acceptable means by which to accomplish these goals.

Eagle pilots know far too well that a guaranteed job at the mainline carrier can quickly be delayed by a decade or more, and further degradation of our segment of the industry not only fails to address cyclical stagnation but also severely damages pattern bargaining for our sister carriers.

US Airways has indicated that if the Eagle pilots do not enter into this agreement with management, then it will source these deliveries elsewhere. The burden now falls on our brothers and sisters at other carriers to take their own stand and stop further degradation of the industry by making concession after concession for the promise of new metal. We will continue to support them in this cause.

Fraternally,
TG

Geardownflaps30 07-15-2013 09:47 AM

Thank you Eagle pilots and your union leadership!

MrMustache 07-15-2013 09:52 AM

HA and all the 9E cheerleaders were adament that everyone would cave. Not quite ;)

PurdueFlyer 07-15-2013 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1445297)
Thank you Eagle pilots and your union leadership!

Time for everyone to stand with Eagle and refuse the US Airways offer


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