A few points for the stuff posted today:

1) if you are a TSA guy and flaming a GoJet thread, some GoJet people are going to get ****ed.

2) all regionals suck, and we are all trying to move up.

3) we are trying to get a new contract through. We are trying to make this a better place until we can all get to a major/ mainline.

4) be nice. We all Jumpseat on each other and we are all interviewing at different majors. When we are all working at the same major we can all laugh about our diffences and have a beer.


Play nice.

Pilotguy

When I got hired here about 3/4 of the class was furloughed from other carriers. Out of about 35 or so in the class I'd say roughly 10 had been furloughed 3 or more times. The last 10 years has been brutal in this industry. While I also have issues with some of the practices at this company, I've found it a decent place to work for the time being.

I don't mean to interrupt. Please continue squabbling over your first world problems.

As of this month, I don't think an ATP Written will get you a 121 pilot job. In the USA anyway.

For any of you lurkers, I'd like to point out that the last few pages of TSA DB's trashing GoJet are a classic example of missing the forest for the trees.

It's a job. There are better jobs. There are worse jobs. The culture at GoJet is not to stay long. That can't be said for the "good" regionals. The upgrade is quick and if you can do basic math you can figure out that the GoJet contract still yields more money than a lot of the "good regionals due to the culture of quick moving lists.

I can't speak for other regionals, but roughly a third of our list is Comair. Many furloughed from other outfits like ATA. So the point is, if you want to be petty and act like a 250 hour wonder you can make posts like flying kat and his/her buddies. But if you need a job at an airline, that allowed United flow backs, with a pretty good group of pilots then GoJet might be an option depending on your situation.

If you are hung up on a dollar (or whatever) an hour, then you are missing, like I said, the forest for the trees. All regionals suck. Perhaps GoJet sucks a little more on the surface? Perhaps TSA has a better contract? If your career goals end at the first RJ then you might want to consider regional contracts as one of the top 2 or 3 items on your priority list.

We would all like to make more money. And we should. But the cold hard fact is that for now, we make X. Until we change the structure of the industry this will not change. It's the way it is. That's not to say we should accept concessions, or roll over to management. Its just the dollars and cents of the business model for now. Is it better to find a job and go to work or stand on your soap box and get all righteous about other airlines? That's for you to decide. Be an adult.

There are some valid concerns about the formation of GoJet, 8 or 10 years ago. Common sense tells anyone that wants to know that none of these guys bad mouthing us would have much to say if GoJetters weren't getting hired. That's really what upsets them. GoJet alum are everywhere but gosh darn it, FlyingKat is crediting 120 hrs a month all winter on his/her 145.

As long as pilots are willing to accept what GoJet, etc are offering, and by extension be complicit with the shenanigans that started the operation, the industry will never change. The day you showed up for indoc you took a concession.



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I am not judging, Lord knows I am a sinner, but.......

Doing the right thing is not easy or convenient.
Doing the right thing can be hard on you and/or yours.
Doing the right thing does not get you a pat on the head and a cookie.


And anyone looking for the quick upgrade shortcut, buyer beware. Lots of pilots came to grief taking that gamble at RAH, 9E, etc. If the music stops and there is no quick upgrade, are you ok with whatever is left?? I have flown with a decent number who weren't, and bailed out of their gig when the quick upgrade did not materialize to start over again with us. They have all compared my regional very favorably to what they left behind.....

This is what I mean. Precisely. The day anyone showed up at any outsourced carrier they took concessions. Some of you need to open your eyes to reality. If you want to nit-pick which turd stinks less that's your choice. Choose your airline on bases and upgrade. Get in and get out. If it stalls and no quick upgrade happens you quit and fly a desk.

What is your name and employee #?
 

So Mr. negative. If you work at TSA I'm sure you realize TSH owns all three companies. TSA GJ and Compass. If you are so a big talker, Im in HQ right now you should tell me your name and employee # so I can print all this out and hand it in to correct personnel. You seem to talk a very big game so you should live up to it. If you don't feel like giving it, I suggest you keep your negative opinions to yourself. Also get your facts correct before you go around calling people bottom feeders.

just got real

Why would FK do that? What happened to free speech? If you were to RAT someone out are you willing to publish your name for everyone to see?

damn....it's nasty in here.