Put on an asbestos suit, and jump right in!

 

So why wouldn't someone leave Eagle for Gojet? Can't speak for everyone, but any FO who made that move in the last 5 years is much better off. Why is it that some people in this industry think its wrong to seek out a better opportunity to provide career advancement and a better life for your family? I take it you aren't married with kids, and if you are, I really feel sorry for them. Can't imagine telling my wife, "Sorry honey, we have to keep living in poverty indefinitely because although taking this opportunity will certainly give us a better life, some of my Eagle buddies may look down on me." LOL! I can't imagine engineers or teachers or other professionals acting this way. They don't, they take the best opportunities provided.

 

You seem to have completely missed his point. Only when Hulas and JO can't get people to show up and fill their right seats will there be much forward progress for any of the pay and benefits at any regional.
Management at the better paying higher quality regionals love to stress their inability for improvements due to the low cost competition from Mesa/Gojet/PSA etc.!

 

Yes, absolutely this.

 

Right. What frustrates me is that we can't take a stand on anything-- anything!! There are many regionals out there. Can't we send a message by not a single person applying to a select regional or two until said regionals get their act staight? I'm not saying avoid the industry. Just one or two companies.


The ability to communicate so widely, quickly, and freely via the internet *could* be a powerful tool for pilots to coordinate and stand united on at least something. Possibly the internet and the forums were the reason for the overwhelming NO votes from Eagle, RAH, and XJT pilots. What if we all had stood strong and not one person applied to Gojets when TSA was being stomped on? What message would that send?

It is imperative that we discuss the issues of *our* profession and *our* collective fates. This is a good thing if we articulate our thoughts with purpose. I appreciate the mods letting things go more lately. Online is probably a lot better venue than arguing in the flight deck.

 

I get his point. I would even go so far as to say I agree with it. The problem with his point is that it's just a theory. You and him are missing mine. You guys want to talk about the way it should be. I want to talk about the way it is.

If you guys want to split hairs on which regional sucks less then that is your choice. We can argue and bicker like high school girls all day. The fact remains, this, right now is the industry. We ALL work for less than we should. Even Horizon and SkyWest and definitely TSA.

 

Really? You really believe what you are saying? Really? Is that why XJ is taking 130 jets out if inventory? Because where is the progress you profess will happen?

 

As stated the "progress" can't and won't happen until the likes of Hulas and JO aren't able to staff their respective bottom of the barrel outfits. As long as they keep getting SJS recruits, they will always be used by other management groups looking to stop any improvements anywhere else. It's been happening for far too long!

 

So just so we all have this straight- You are saying that your company's pay scales are good and that's all the more you guys deserve?

I assume you think you should make more? So that would mean that what you are saying is that it's okay for you to work for sub par wages but it is not okay for me to because in your opinion you work for slightly less bad wages? Did I miss something?

 

First because they have a better contract. My wife and kids are just fine because I look at the money and the contract first. You Gojet guys can rationalize it all you want. But the bottom line is you work at a bottom feeding carrier that was created to circumvent someone else's CBA. Deal with it. And any industry veteran that goes there knowing what Gojet is, how poor the contract is, why they were created, and what Gojet has done to put downward pressure on wages in the regional industry gets what they deserve. I was jumpseating to work last week and a Gojet guy who went there seeking a fast upgrade from another carrier was whining to a United guy about how they are treated at Gojet, the intimidation tactics and how awful it is to work there. And how they lied to him about the fast upgrade. Serves him right.

Anyone who goes there gets what they deserve. Right now I'm making more money and made $3000 more last winter than I would have at Gojet due to cancellation pay. Anybody that goes to Gojet right now is financially illiterate.