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Old 08-16-2014 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
JT8D is right. They won't tell you its because you work for Gojet.....but many legitimate reasons can be found for denying a jumpseat. Not saying I agree with this, because I don't. But I have been amazed at the number of mainline guys and guys at other regionals that say they will do not do anything to help a Gojet guy out on the jumpseat.
the only people who care about GoJet are other regional pilots....mainline guys don't care in the slightest bit.
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Old 08-16-2014 | 07:27 AM
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It's neat and fun and gives me warm fuzzies to think about the theory of people not going to xyz carrier because they pay a miniscule amount less than abc carrier. Or so-and-so's contract is better.

The problem is that one day you wake up and (hopefully) realize that a good theory is far different than reality in a capitalistic society. One day you realize that you are the only one holding yourself back.

I've pointed out the hypocracy of another regional pilot talking down about another carrier at nausim. You guys won't touch that because you know the truth of what I posted. So I'm going to take it a step further.

If you were trying to find the group of people that hold the industry back the most in todays environment then I submit to you that it's the folks talking bad about other regionals, and anyone involved with the union.

The immature brats that think another regional is screwing you or the industry couldn't be farther off the point. You guys have a serious lack of understanding of business. Assuming the point is the betterment of the industry? You have a utopian idea stuck in your head that pilots shouldn't go to GoJet or Mesa because of poor pay or work rules. Perhaps you are even dense enough to think people shouldn't go there due to the history of how it was formed?

So I ask where should they go? To your carrier? You guys have said it over and over but for you to really think that is a better idea you have to think you are making a fair wage and have a sufficient contract. IE- making what you are worth. We all know that every regional is underpaid. So that means you guys are righteous about your less bad wage. In other words, it's okay for you at your company because it's less bad? It's an idiotic thought process and I think you people are the reason this is a trade job rather than a profession.

As for the Union, they need voted out and gutted completely. If you want change, real change and bargaining power you have to get rid of them. The reason is that unions have no power. Strike? Never going to happen again. The RLA makes it illegal to disrupt the transportation system. There is no power. Those are the two big problems with the industry. Not Hulas or JO or Parker or BB.

In order to achieve real change all of the pilot groups have to be united. Even TSA and GoJet. We need one voice.

The one voice needs to come from an exclusive, entirely regional pilot group. This is very much like a global seniority list but could not be Unionized due to the current laws. Global regional pilot lists for longevity for pay purposes.

The power comes from the ability of the group to dictate staffing. If JO needs a pilot and one is available with 10 years of 121 experience, or 7000 hours he must pay that pilots longevity or the group as a whole ignores the request for staff.

If pilots circumvent the group two things could happen. Pilot fails training. Pilot is blacklisted from future enrolment in the Regional Pilot Group.

Or if Hulas wants to pay TSA, X and Compass, Y and GoJet, Z then the group as a whole says no. You pay everyone A, with the same work rules, this many days off, this long of a call out etc. Same rules as every other regional period.

That works if we all belong to the same group. It can't work when we have multiple pilot representations. Nor can it work when pilots don't even understand what the root problems are in the industry.

Until we have one united regional pilot group, one set of work rules, one set of payscales, and get paid for experience things won't change. They won't even change if you clench your fists and scream really, really loud at the nearest GoJet pilot.

Now, I am fully aware that most of you don't pay attention to facts and refuse to use the part of your brain that uses critical thinking, which explains why most of you voted for Obama. But maybe one day you'll realize that your misguided hate and anger at a pilot group was a lot of energy you could have expended on something that mattered.

While the petty arguments continue, and folks like you guys keep doing your part to divide the pilot group for management teams across the country, I will go to the carrier that I think will get me out of the regional world the fastest. And honestly, it is none of your business what company a fellow pilot feels fits his or her needs the best. Just remember, when you don't have anything remotely educated to say, you make all of the regional pilot group look like unprofessional, uneducated tools.
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Old 08-16-2014 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz
It's neat and fun and gives me warm fuzzies to think about the theory of people not going to xyz carrier because they pay a miniscule amount less than abc carrier. Or so-and-so's contract is better.

The problem is that one day you wake up and (hopefully) realize that a good theory is far different than reality in a capitalistic society. One day you realize that you are the only one holding yourself back.

I've pointed out the hypocracy of another regional pilot talking down about another carrier at nausim. You guys won't touch that because you know the truth of what I posted. So I'm going to take it a step further.

If you were trying to find the group of people that hold the industry back the most in todays environment then I submit to you that it's the folks talking bad about other regionals, and anyone involved with the union.

The immature brats that think another regional is screwing you or the industry couldn't be farther off the point. You guys have a serious lack of understanding of business. Assuming the point is the betterment of the industry? You have a utopian idea stuck in your head that pilots shouldn't go to GoJet or Mesa because of poor pay or work rules. Perhaps you are even dense enough to think people shouldn't go there due to the history of how it was formed?

So I ask where should they go? To your carrier? You guys have said it over and over but for you to really think that is a better idea you have to think you are making a fair wage and have a sufficient contract. IE- making what you are worth. We all know that every regional is underpaid. So that means you guys are righteous about your less bad wage. In other words, it's okay for you at your company because it's less bad? It's an idiotic thought process and I think you people are the reason this is a trade job rather than a profession.

As for the Union, they need voted out and gutted completely. If you want change, real change and bargaining power you have to get rid of them. The reason is that unions have no power. Strike? Never going to happen again. The RLA makes it illegal to disrupt the transportation system. There is no power. Those are the two big problems with the industry. Not Hulas or JO or Parker or BB.

In order to achieve real change all of the pilot groups have to be united. Even TSA and GoJet. We need one voice.

The one voice needs to come from an exclusive, entirely regional pilot group. This is very much like a global seniority list but could not be Unionized due to the current laws. Global regional pilot lists for longevity for pay purposes.

The power comes from the ability of the group to dictate staffing. If JO needs a pilot and one is available with 10 years of 121 experience, or 7000 hours he must pay that pilots longevity or the group as a whole ignores the request for staff.

If pilots circumvent the group two things could happen. Pilot fails training. Pilot is blacklisted from future enrolment in the Regional Pilot Group.

Or if Hulas wants to pay TSA, X and Compass, Y and GoJet, Z then the group as a whole says no. You pay everyone A, with the same work rules, this many days off, this long of a call out etc. Same rules as every other regional period.

That works if we all belong to the same group. It can't work when we have multiple pilot representations. Nor can it work when pilots don't even understand what the root problems are in the industry.

Until we have one united regional pilot group, one set of work rules, one set of payscales, and get paid for experience things won't change. They won't even change if you clench your fists and scream really, really loud at the nearest GoJet pilot.

Now, I am fully aware that most of you don't pay attention to facts and refuse to use the part of your brain that uses critical thinking, which explains why most of you voted for Obama. But maybe one day you'll realize that your misguided hate and anger at a pilot group was a lot of energy you could have expended on something that mattered.

While the petty arguments continue, and folks like you guys keep doing your part to divide the pilot group for management teams across the country, I will go to the carrier that I think will get me out of the regional world the fastest. And honestly, it is none of your business what company a fellow pilot feels fits his or her needs the best. Just remember, when you don't have anything remotely educated to say, you make all of the regional pilot group look like unprofessional, uneducated tools.
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Old 08-16-2014 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz
It's neat and fun and gives me warm fuzzies to think about the theory of people not going to xyz carrier because they pay a miniscule amount less than abc carrier. Or so-and-so's contract is better.

The problem is that one day you wake up and (hopefully) realize that a good theory is far different than reality in a capitalistic society. One day you realize that you are the only one holding yourself back.

I've pointed out the hypocracy of another regional pilot talking down about another carrier at nausim. You guys won't touch that because you know the truth of what I posted. So I'm going to take it a step further.

If you were trying to find the group of people that hold the industry back the most in todays environment then I submit to you that it's the folks talking bad about other regionals, and anyone involved with the union.

The immature brats that think another regional is screwing you or the industry couldn't be farther off the point. You guys have a serious lack of understanding of business. Assuming the point is the betterment of the industry? You have a utopian idea stuck in your head that pilots shouldn't go to GoJet or Mesa because of poor pay or work rules. Perhaps you are even dense enough to think people shouldn't go there due to the history of how it was formed?

So I ask where should they go? To your carrier? You guys have said it over and over but for you to really think that is a better idea you have to think you are making a fair wage and have a sufficient contract. IE- making what you are worth. We all know that every regional is underpaid. So that means you guys are righteous about your less bad wage. In other words, it's okay for you at your company because it's less bad? It's an idiotic thought process and I think you people are the reason this is a trade job rather than a profession.

As for the Union, they need voted out and gutted completely. If you want change, real change and bargaining power you have to get rid of them. The reason is that unions have no power. Strike? Never going to happen again. The RLA makes it illegal to disrupt the transportation system. There is no power. Those are the two big problems with the industry. Not Hulas or JO or Parker or BB.

In order to achieve real change all of the pilot groups have to be united. Even TSA and GoJet. We need one voice.

The one voice needs to come from an exclusive, entirely regional pilot group. This is very much like a global seniority list but could not be Unionized due to the current laws. Global regional pilot lists for longevity for pay purposes.

The power comes from the ability of the group to dictate staffing. If JO needs a pilot and one is available with 10 years of 121 experience, or 7000 hours he must pay that pilots longevity or the group as a whole ignores the request for staff.

If pilots circumvent the group two things could happen. Pilot fails training. Pilot is blacklisted from future enrolment in the Regional Pilot Group.

Or if Hulas wants to pay TSA, X and Compass, Y and GoJet, Z then the group as a whole says no. You pay everyone A, with the same work rules, this many days off, this long of a call out etc. Same rules as every other regional period.

That works if we all belong to the same group. It can't work when we have multiple pilot representations. Nor can it work when pilots don't even understand what the root problems are in the industry.

Until we have one united regional pilot group, one set of work rules, one set of payscales, and get paid for experience things won't change. They won't even change if you clench your fists and scream really, really loud at the nearest GoJet pilot.

Now, I am fully aware that most of you don't pay attention to facts and refuse to use the part of your brain that uses critical thinking, which explains why most of you voted for Obama. But maybe one day you'll realize that your misguided hate and anger at a pilot group was a lot of energy you could have expended on something that mattered.

While the petty arguments continue, and folks like you guys keep doing your part to divide the pilot group for management teams across the country, I will go to the carrier that I think will get me out of the regional world the fastest. And honestly, it is none of your business what company a fellow pilot feels fits his or her needs the best. Just remember, when you don't have anything remotely educated to say, you make all of the regional pilot group look like unprofessional, uneducated tools.


At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Old 08-16-2014 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SMACFUM


At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Let me make it more understandable for you-

Yo bro you hattin gojet is whack cause you be wrong.

You don't make enuf scrilla as it is.

we should work together yo. but fo realz there has to be sum dramatic changes for it to work. (work is something that is generally hard and requires more effort than screaming at another pilot group from your computer saying they should change but you don't have to.)

Until there are dramatic changes don't be trippin on someone you don't know. Cause you don't know where their crib be at, what their family at and what they goals is.

nomesayin?
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Old 08-16-2014 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
I'm not casting judgement on everyone there. But a number of pilots that started the whole debacle are still over there. To qualify them as consummate professionals is just wrong.

^ This. While a 2014 newhire made a bad decision, I don't think the same of him as I do those original scumbags that made the whole thing possible.
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Old 08-17-2014 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
I'm not casting judgement on everyone there. But a number of pilots that started the whole debacle are still over there. To qualify them as consummate professionals is just wrong.

^ This. While a 2014 newhire made a bad decision, I don't think the same of him as I do those original scumbags that made the whole thing possible.
Those original "scumbags" were Trans States Pilots. Keep throwing those stones.
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Old 08-17-2014 | 06:43 AM
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Even with a quick upgrade gojet has and cmrcrj700pilot saying it is as good as Comair was, guys are jumping ship over there left and right. PSA has hired several gojet pilots and even more substantial evidence of how great it is over at gojet PSA has hired several Comair pilots that first went to gojet! You take a 17 year Comair guy making 120k they start over at a devastating pay drop at first year pay at gojet and then prolong that first year pay to leave and go to PSA all while gojet has a quicker upgrade. What does that tell you?
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Old 08-17-2014 | 06:48 AM
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How accurate is the gojet APC page that says most junior captain is a Dec 2012 hire?
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Old 08-17-2014 | 06:49 AM
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It tells ME that Regional flying sucks and I am thankful I escaped.
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