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12-10-2013 | 10:31 AM
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I think you misinterpreted what he was saying. You can be proficient and competent in emergency procedures, but that doesn't make you a better pilot. It lets you pass the checkride. Any monkey can read a QRH and push the button. And I think your stall training info is incorrect....the Fed's didn't change their method of stall recovery checking(hold altitute and power out) until AFTER the colgan crash, and that's how all airlines trained/checked on stalls. They assumed you knew in real life to lower the AOA. But like you said, its when the poop hits the fan when you find out if you have become a better pilot.
12-10-2013 | 11:15 AM
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I can't believe they taught stall recoveries like that. Unbelievable. In my initial training on the CRJ in one of the sim sessions I got the pusher for the landing stall. The whole emphasis on slight back pressure to minimize altitude loss! I thought is this for real? What ever happened to flying the wing and reducing the AOA? Minimizing altitude loss doesn't help if you fully outright stall. Whether you are at 2,300 ft outside Buffalo or at FL370 over the Atlantic. The emphasis should always be to fly the wing and reduce the AOA which usually means lower the nose dramatically as needed. I'll take altitude loss any day than try and "hold" it in the shaker. Complete nonsense.
12-10-2013 | 11:38 AM
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I understand what your saying Shy, I didn't like it either, but it was how we had to teach it then.
On the subject of pushers, you wouldn't believe how many times I've seen a complete loss of control in high altitude stalls to the pusher.
On the subject of pushers, you wouldn't believe how many times I've seen a complete loss of control in high altitude stalls to the pusher.
12-10-2013 | 11:57 AM
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High altitude stalls are a lot different.
12-10-2013 | 01:05 PM
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That's absolutely a fact. I've been out of that environment for 6 years now, but after posting that, I recalled seeing it several times at lower altitudes as well. Every time, it was a three push event where the student was reluctant to release the back pressure from the pusher, or stalled the plane again by aggressively pulling back after a push.
12-10-2013 | 07:15 PM
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It can be said that the best training department is yourself. A training department can only do so much with someone who does not choose to try to better themselves. If you expect minimum results from yourself, you will see minimal results with your training.
12-10-2013 | 08:06 PM
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As an instructor, I had learned from the Colgan accident, and made sure my students knew how to recover from a stall. Imagine my surprise when as a new hire, I was criticised for losing too much altitude when I pushed the nose down. I thought it was pretty stupid, but wasn't about to start an argument with a check airman.
12-11-2013 | 04:14 AM
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This comment can be reversed as well
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