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Old 12-24-2013 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
Fact remains. Eagle will be the regional to be at. All the chips are falling in place.
While I do think you know what you're talking about I will have to make a decision soon and it's hard to feed my family based on conjecture.
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Old 12-24-2013 | 02:15 PM
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Bzzt...Do what's best for you and your family. They come first. Being selfish in situations like this is best. Remember, no one else except YOU will take care of them.

Not even your pilot brotherhood. F them.
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Old 12-24-2013 | 02:16 PM
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Why did your MEC go meet in Dallas when the proposal was being delivered in DC? Do you really think it was just for a meeting with the new CEO who suddenly cancelled before any of them had even left from home to go to Dallas? Who else was in Dallas at the same time?

Who else was in Dallas the last time (4 months ago) that your MEC also went to Dallas?

Make your own decision. I can lead you to water, but I can't drink it for you.
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Old 12-24-2013 | 02:20 PM
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Yeah, for some reason I think the MEC is not being truthful to us.
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Old 12-24-2013 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
Why did your MEC go meet in Dallas when the proposal was being delivered in DC? Do you really think it was just for a meeting with the new CEO who suddenly cancelled before any of them had even left from home to go to Dallas? Who else was in Dallas at the same time?

Who else was in Dallas the last time (4 months ago) that your MEC also went to Dallas?

Make your own decision. I can lead you to water, but I can't drink it for you.
I honestly don't know who was in Dallas
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Old 12-24-2013 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
I honestly don't know who was in Dallas
I think they prefer it that way for now.
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Old 12-24-2013 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
I think they prefer it that way for now.
Well then they're doing a good job. Considering were out of BK now I don't see the need for secrecy though.
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Old 12-25-2013 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
I think they prefer it that way for now.
Well then they're doing a good job. Considering were out of BK now I don't see the need for secrecy though.
Sometimes you can't spill your beans, that way management can't attack.

If this is the only way they can bring us a good deal it's ok with me. I have more faith with this MEC than the last one. Let's give them a chance.

Good luck with the compass interview (for real).
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Old 12-25-2013 | 07:30 AM
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Mason,
To reply to you is thread drift but I must comment on your willingness to throw out whatever "facts" you feel like to make a point.

If the average age of the pilot group at Comair was 57 as you state then that means for every pilot who was 29, 4 were 64. Are you actually suggesting 8 of 10 pilots were 64?

As Republic, Express Jet, Compass and others continue to demonstrate they are certainly able to staff their airlines today. Comair management would certainly have been able to hire replacements for the mandatory retirements. Whether or not they could have hired for a sinking ship is another story.

Comair ceased to exist simply because it was in managements best interest to shut it down and continue the whipsaw with everyone else. The race to the bottom is real and Eagle might not be the next but someone will be. The entire regional business in the US is nothing but a giant "B" or even "C" scale.

There isn't a regional in the US where I would consider staying for longer than absolutely necessary.

Wake up.
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Old 12-25-2013 | 08:35 AM
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As Republic, Express Jet, Compass and others continue to demonstrate they are certainly able to staff their airlines today. Comair management would certainly have been able to hire replacements for the mandatory retirements. Whether or not they could have hired for a sinking ship is another story.

Comair ceased to exist simply because it was in managements best interest to shut it down and continue the whipsaw with everyone else.
1st you obviously have zero evidence or knowledge of the actual staffing situations at the airlines your discussing. Hiring is but one part of the equation. None of them are retaining pilots at acceptable rates to staff their own flying; let alone any new flying.
Why do you think so many managements are after contract amendments outside of bankruptcy and section six right now? They already know what you refuse to accept. There aren't enough pilots already at regionals.

2nd if it was in managements best interest to continue a whipsaw then they would not remove an entire airline from the equation. They'd have kept a small Comair around to aid the whipsaw. Had they done that, they'd be left with the top half of your seniority list only. Then they'd be replacing them in the middle of this crunch. Your logic is flawed.

Back to Eagle.
There is nobody to replace Eagle with. They could move some flying successfully to Piedmont as replacement flying as they park the older turboprops. However, nobody is capable of accepting any real growth flying.
There are two plans for Eagle. One is much better than the other; however both provide continued employment.

The kid asked if he should stay or go.
The short answer is; stay.
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