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Old 01-07-2014 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tom14cat14
At least they are barking. ALPA National has rolled over to have stomach scathed my management.
In what way? ALPA National doesn't or rarely injects itself into local affairs.. in addition, ALPA National plays politics on the DC level... meaning they don't **** people off as a little fish in a huge sea....

but, what is the sense in barking...? People just acclimate to it and it becomes annoying....
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Old 01-07-2014 | 02:16 PM
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I see what you are saying but you are missing my point as well. What is so wrong about ALPA national taking a stance against concessions on the regional level?
Because this is not the goal of ALPA. The undeclared goal of ALPA is to assist in the destruction every regional airline. Sign off on concessionary contracts that are so bad that pilots will not even go work there, they can't cover their contracts and flights cancel without hundreds of new ultra-cheap pilots. Problem solved. Mainline does almost all flying again, like the last 20 years were a bad dream.
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Old 01-07-2014 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
Because this is not the goal of ALPA. The undeclared goal of ALPA is to assist in the destruction every regional airline. Sign off on concessionary contracts that are so bad that pilots will not even go work there, they can't cover their contracts and flights cancel without hundreds of new ultra-cheap pilots. Problem solved. Mainline does almost all flying again, like the last 20 years were a bad dream.
An interesting theory. I don't think that plan will work though. The airlines will figure a way to work through our government and fix their problems. Whether it's code sharing domestic routes to foreign carriers, or getting contract pilots like some airlines in the EU.

We can't beat airline management and the US government working together.
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Old 01-07-2014 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
An interesting theory. I don't think that plan will work though. The airlines will figure a way to work through our government and fix their problems. Whether it's code sharing domestic routes to foreign carriers, or getting contract pilots like some airlines in the EU.

We can't beat airline management and the US government working together.


And from the top end... airlines like Emirates will squeeze US airlines out of the global market with cheap Boeing deals, and cheaper labor pilots.... look for Boeing to relocate in the Med East... an American company.
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Old 01-08-2014 | 08:48 AM
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APA UpdateALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION EXPRESSES SUPPORT FOR AMERICAN EAGLE PILOTS IN THEIR UNPRECEDENTED CONTRACT TALKS WITH MANAGEMENTFORT WORTH, Texas (Jan. 7, 2014) — The president of the Allied Pilots Association (APA), certified collective bargaining agent for the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, expressed strong support today for the pilots at American Eagle Airlines during their contract discussions with American Airlines Group management."APA supports our brothers and sisters at Eagle in their efforts to obtain an agreement that would ensure the current aircraft deliveries and regional flying stay at American Eagle," said APA President Capt. Keith Wilson. "The pilots of American Eagle have gone through the same bankruptcy restructuring process as we have here at the new American, and as such, they have already made significant sacrifices resulting in nearly $43 million in contract concessions. The current collective bargaining agreement has helped align Eagle's cost structure with that of its competitors, allowing Eagle to continue to provide regional lift to American."William Sprague, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association's American Eagle Master Executive Council, explained, "While the pilots of American Eagle worked hard to meet all of management's demands during bankruptcy, only 10 days after the new American Airlines Group exited bankruptcy, the pilots of American Eagle were asked to again renegotiate their contract. The pilots were presented with a new term sheet asking for additional cuts to pay and benefits, adding new work rules that constitute vast changes to this new contract. This was in exchange for a vague promise of replacement aircraft."Capt. Wilson added that "APA leadership’s position is that there is simply no need for management to take another 'bite at the apple' from the Eagle pilots immediately following a bankruptcy contract. Rather, management should ensure some level of career stability for those pilots and prevent yet another race to the bottom that has, of late, plagued the regional airline industry."Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association — the largest independent pilots' union in the United States — is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, including several hundred pilots on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union's website iswww.alliedpilots.org. American Airlines is the nation's largest international passenger carrier and fifth-largest cargo carrier.
If the "support" they mention is anything like the "support" they showed former TWA pilots, Eagle pilots may want to reconsider accepting this so called "support".
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Old 01-08-2014 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by package puppy
If the "support" they mention is anything like the "support" they showed former TWA pilots, Eagle pilots may want to reconsider accepting this so called "support".
Junior Kids at L-AE worship APA. Little do they know.
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Old 01-08-2014 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by package puppy
If the "support" they mention is anything like the "support" they showed former TWA pilots, Eagle pilots may want to reconsider accepting this so called "support".
Like the way ALPA supported TWA?
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Old 01-09-2014 | 12:36 PM
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I think it's great APA made the statement. At least someone is standing behind Eagle. APA seems to be damned if they do damned if they don't. People would always say where are they; now that they are supportive everyone calls em the devil.
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Old 01-09-2014 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetdriver7
I think it's great APA made the statement. At least someone is standing behind Eagle. APA seems to be damned if they do damned if they don't. People would always say where are they; now that they are supportive everyone calls em the devil.
Making a statement is not support. In case you missed it they "support" RAH also.
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Old 01-09-2014 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
Making a statement is not support. In case you missed it they "support" RAH also.
They support the RAH pilot group voting a strike and also the no vote of confidence as well as the other outspoken things they are doing. They are supporting pilots standing for themselves and their worth ,and yes I know many got to RAH for the Ejet blah, blah, blah but that feeling is quickly worn out and not all of those guys wen there for those intentions. Anyhow, as a group they are standing united and against the management team. On the other hand the Eagle MEC voted 5-4 to send the NC back to management to continue working out a deal.
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