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Old 02-03-2014 | 11:09 AM
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Also, it's like the exact definition of greed...

An excessive desire for more, well above and beyond what you need, which is already beyond what you have? When $2 billion in profits just doesn't quench your thirst. No, you can do better. Even if it requires taking from those who do need.





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Old 02-03-2014 | 11:48 AM
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Also, it's like the exact definition of greed...

An excessive desire for more, well above and beyond what you need, which is already beyond what you have? When $2 billion in profits just doesn't quench your thirst. No, you can do better. Even if it requires taking from those who do need.
You can use your own statement against you however. "An excessive desire for more, well above and beyond what you need," there are people who live quite well on less than 50k a year. In fact 50k puts you right at the mean national household income. It's all relative.
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Old 02-03-2014 | 12:03 PM
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You can use your own statement against you however. "An excessive desire for more, well above and beyond what you need," there are people who live quite well on less than 50k a year. In fact 50k puts you right at the mean national household income. It's all relative.







Spoken just like a true brownstreaker... Because professional pilots don't require more training, or have more responsibility than any of those people that live on less than 50k. Try living well on less than 50k in any large metropolitan area in California!
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Old 02-03-2014 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch
You can use your own statement against you however. "An excessive desire for more, well above and beyond what you need," there are people who live quite well on less than 50k a year. In fact 50k puts you right at the mean national household income. It's all relative.







Spoken just like a true brownstreaker... Because professional pilots don't require more training, or have more responsibility than any of those people that live on less than 50k. Try living well on less than 50k in any large metropolitan area in California!
Funny you bring it up. I am from California. And have plenty of friends who live on 50k or less. The post I commented on was dealing with asking for more than you need. Not asking for what YOU think your worth.
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Old 02-03-2014 | 03:52 PM
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Paid2fly,

It should be obvious that patis based on the supply of pilots and the demand for them, not at all related to the hazards, responsibility or invested funds. That's pretty much the history of the last decade at regionals. In other areas of aviation, employers are bidding up the price for experienced pilots--Asia, corporates here, etc.

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Old 02-03-2014 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch
Funny you bring it up. I am from California. And have plenty of friends who live on 50k or less. The post I commented on was dealing with asking for more than you need. Not asking for what YOU think your worth.








I was okay on less than 50k when single with no family. Try supporting a large family on 50k or less in LA or SFO... Unless you're taking government support, you'll be in poverty. If you, as a "professional pilot" think that's okay for you, so be it. I think it's totally unacceptable!
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Old 02-04-2014 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch
Funny you bring it up. I am from California. And have plenty of friends who live on 50k or less. The post I commented on was dealing with asking for more than you need. Not asking for what YOU think your worth.



I was okay on less than 50k when single with no family. Try supporting a large family on 50k or less in LA or SFO... Unless you're taking government support, you'll be in poverty. If you, as a "professional pilot" think that's okay for you, so be it. I think it's totally unacceptable!

I never once in any of these posts talked about pilot pay. My comment was centered on what his definition of greed is and nothing more. YOU are talking about pilot pay.
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Old 02-04-2014 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch
I never once in any of these posts talked about pilot pay. My comment was centered on what his definition of greed is and nothing more. YOU are talking about pilot pay.
Yes, I suppose greed is relative. Side note, I would welcome $50,000/year graciously, but my latest W-2 was half that. Fortunately, I don't have any significant debt, student loans, children, or live in an expensive city, so I get by ok.

Back to greed being relative. I suppose I'd be greedy if I walked down the street and stole some hobo's nickel stash. And compared to people living in some third world countries, and even some places in the US, my lifestyle might even be considered lavish! Hell, I have electricity, a refrigerator, cable TV, and internet. What was I complaining about again?

Mr. Parker, I'm doing just fine! Don't let me and my fellow pilots obstruct your opportunity for a multi-million $$$ bonus! That'd be greedy of us. I know you've been working hard with this merger, probably spending a lot of time "on the road" away from home, working long days/nights, dealing with all sorts of people complaining about this and that. And a lot is expected of you! You have a lot of responsibility in your hands, guiding the company to safe future.

Don't let these pilots take what is yours, Mr. Parker. They are just greedy sloths. Establish your dominance over them, and put them in their place. Show them they are are replaceable, and nothing more than a tool of of the company. Make them fear you. Fear is stronger than respect.
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Old 02-04-2014 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch
You can use your own statement against you however. "An excessive desire for more, well above and beyond what you need," there are people who live quite well on less than 50k a year. In fact 50k puts you right at the mean national household income. It's all relative.
What is the average income of a college educated skilled professional in NYC, ORD, MIA and DFW? Answer- $260,000.

50k does put you at the average of uneducated welfare recipients and Walmart workers. Would you like fries with that?
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Old 02-04-2014 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nanceystyles
What is the average income of a college educated skilled professional in NYC, ORD, MIA and DFW? Answer- $260,000.
Source on that statistic?

Average starting salaries for college grads.

I should have just been a Humanities major...
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