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Old 02-08-2014 | 07:49 AM
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LOL, this is the most ludicrous thinking. "Ill show the company that I won't participate on the electronic flight bag."

Keep wasting your time doing those revisions. BTW how was Rev 5?
When your IPad inevitably breaks or is stolen and you are forced to buy a new one at your own expense my paper binders will still be going strong...
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Old 02-08-2014 | 07:50 AM
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As a side note, I wonder what the implications are if something happens related during the flight and you are using your own personal Ipad as an EFB. Does the company now have the right to subpoena/take your personal tablet for investigative purposes?
That and also, what if the iPad gets broken? Is the pilot willing to pay $500 more for a new iPad?
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Old 02-08-2014 | 08:33 AM
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When your IPad inevitably breaks or is stolen and you are forced to buy a new one at your own expense my paper binders will still be going strong...
I'm so sick of this argument. Folks, this is VOLUNTARY program. You are not being FORCED to do anything. The Company will either provide an iPad Jepp subscription, or paper charts. Most of those in the program already had an iPad, very few went out and bought them solely for this purpose. If my personal iPad breaks or is stolen, I will repair or replace it, regardless of whether I not I use it for work. Same goes for my phone, my computer, or any other electronic device I have. If for some reason I could not afford to fix it, I would go to the CP office and be issued a set of paper plates. Problem solved.

Now if the company REQUIRED pilots to carry iPads, like most other airlines that have them, they damn well better provide them. But again, this is a VOLUNTARY program. Please stop complaining about those who are able to take advantage of it and make their lives easier. We have much bigger fish to fry at this point.
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Old 02-08-2014 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by V1 ROT8
I'm so sick of this argument. Folks, this is VOLUNTARY program. You are not being FORCED to do anything. The Company will either provide an iPad Jepp subscription, or paper charts. Most of those in the program already had an iPad, very few went out and bought them solely for this purpose. If my personal iPad breaks or is stolen, I will repair or replace it, regardless of whether I not I use it for work. Same goes for my phone, my computer, or any other electronic device I have. If for some reason I could not afford to fix it, I would go to the CP office and be issued a set of paper plates. Problem solved.

Now if the company REQUIRED pilots to carry iPads, like most other airlines that have them, they damn well better provide them. But again, this is a VOLUNTARY program. Please stop complaining about those who are able to take advantage of it and make their lives easier. We have much bigger fish to fry at this point.
The reason they're able to keep this a voluntary program as you say is because so many of our pilots went out and footed the bill for the mounts, batteries, and iPads. If the opt in rate had been very small they may have considered making it mandatory.
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Old 02-08-2014 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by V1 ROT8
I'm so sick of this argument. Folks, this is VOLUNTARY program. You are not being FORCED to do anything.
I'm not posing an argument... My personal choice is to not incur expenses of my own for a program which the company has stated is a cost saving measure for themselves. Unlike RJ Pilot I'm not so pathetic as to judge a pilots decision to participate or not.

My relationship with this company is purely quid pro quo. If RJ Pilot thinks my goal in not participating in the efb thing is to 'help shut the place down' then his head is shoved further up the dark end than I've previously realized...
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Old 02-08-2014 | 10:02 AM
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The reason they're able to keep this a voluntary program as you say is because so many of our pilots went out and footed the bill for the mounts, batteries, and iPads. If the opt in rate had been very small they may have considered making it mandatory.
Did some more bolding for you. Last I checked, there aren't many, if any at all, REGIONAL airlines that allow pilot's to use iPads, let alone provide them. The company doesn't believe the savings are worth the cost, otherwise they would do it. Simple as that. Again, no one is forcing you to buy an iPad, so I don't understand why some lash out at people who do have them as "company sympathizers" because they elected to make their lives easier.

Originally Posted by JT8D
I'm not posing an argument... My personal choice is to not incur expenses of my own for a program which the company has stated is a cost saving measure for themselves. Unlike RJ Pilot I'm not so pathetic as to judge a pilots decision to participate or not.

My relationship with this company is purely quid pro quo. If RJ Pilot thinks my goal in not participating in the efb thing is to 'help shut the place down' then his head is shoved further up the dark end than I've previously realized...
Fair enough, and understood.
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Old 02-08-2014 | 10:06 AM
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If my iPad breaks, Ill simply buy another one. In fact, I'm buying the AIR this week since its officially approved.
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Old 02-08-2014 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by V1 ROT8
Did some more bolding for you. Last I checked, there aren't many, if any at all, REGIONAL airlines that allow pilot's to use iPads, let alone provide them. The company doesn't believe the savings are worth the cost, otherwise they would do it. Simple as that. Again, no one is forcing you to buy an iPad, so I don't understand why some lash out at people who do have them as "company sympathizers" because they elected to make their lives easier.



Fair enough, and understood.
Actually we're one of the few airlines who allows them yet doesn't provide them.
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Old 02-08-2014 | 10:25 AM
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Actually we're one of the few airlines who allows them yet doesn't provide them.
The only other REGIONAL airline that allows them is Mesa. They do NOT provide them, the program is voluntary, as is ours. Many mainline airlines are providing them to there pilots, but they have much larger economies of scale and stand to save a substantially larger amount of money than a small, or even large, regional airline.

But if you evidence to the contrary, please provide me with the list of regional airlines that provide them and I'll admit I was wrong.
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Old 02-08-2014 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by V1 ROT8
The only other REGIONAL airline that allows them is Mesa. They do NOT provide them, the program is voluntary, as is ours. Many mainline airlines are providing them to there pilots, but they have much larger economies of scale and stand to save a substantially larger amount of money than a small, or even large, regional airline.

But if you evidence to the contrary, please provide me with the list of regional airlines that provide them and I'll admit I was wrong.
Last I checked Horizon had company issued iPads.
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