be sure to include ALL ATP in that same category. nice post groovin'

apparently you are not as familiar with some of their alumn as I am:mad:

There 90-day wizz-kids are rediculous. If these guys had to go to the FSDO for their checkrides their failure rate would easily be 60%.

No ATP grad will ever jumpseat when I'm captain.

I haved noticed on here the people that are the most up-tight about "their" jumpseats, are the people who have no authority to deny a jumpseat... just an observation.

I flew jumpseated with an crew the other day and the FO thought he was "Billy-BadAzz" or something... it was really kinda pathetic.

Hang on to your convictions, but don't be that guy...

Good observation, because I think you're right. I just think ATP guys are not held to the standards the rest of us are.

With that being said, if they make it through 121 training, by all means they're every bit as equal.

Dmbinhburg, What do you do for living? What you do is trivial really. Tomorrow, I'm calling your boss, then I'm going to offer to give him $20k to train for your job, and then I'm going to do the job for free. See where I'm going with this?

That's the problem right there. 121 flying with passengers is not a training environment. People are paying money to get to their destinations with pro. pilots flying them, not one Pro. pilot/flight instructor and one student. I know there is a fine line between student and new hire these days, but GIA doesn't even attempt to blur it. One captain, and one student. Inapropriate.

So which is it? Obviously they made it through 121 training if the are requesting a jump seat on "your airplane", so that would make them "every bit as equal" and worthy of the jumpseat. But yet they are still an ATP grad. No ATP grads will jumpseat when you are captain remember? Are you going to ask every jump seater where they went to flight school? So no Gulfstreamers, ATPers, who else will the almighty deny a jump seat to? Get a life.

Great point g2tt.

That's the problem. I know of three females in particular who went there and took a bridge program to XJT. I know guys like LAFF don't get it, but these gals have no bidness driving a car, let alone flying a plane.