Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg (Post 93218)

Oldschooler... I am a business owner so I am the boss. :D I've had my own business for 4 1/2 years.

You could look at going to Gulfstream/ATP/JET U just like going to college. I went to college, paid 100k for 4 years, got a job out of school doing software engineering but only made 40k. Sounds a lot like going to a flight school (again Gulfstream/ATP/etc...) by paying your 25k for training and time building, you get hired and make 20-25k. I don't see much difference.

As for some of the other posters, I think it's pathetic that you wouldn't let someone "jumpseat" on YOUR (last time I checked you don't own the airplane or pay the bills) airplane just because they went to a flight school that your not a big fan of. Just my observation.

Originally Posted by oldschoollear (Post 93294)

The problem is, these guys don't make 20-25k, they pay to do the 20-25k job. Btw, ridht seat in a 1900 with pax aboard is not the time for someone to be time building.

Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg (Post 93120)

Anyone see the write up in Plane & Pilot magazine this month? They did a full write up on the flight school/ airline. I am not an airline pilot but I have seen all the hate threads about Gulfstream. I have to be honest though, I still don't see what is so bad about them. You pay about the same price as you would going to ATP, Delta Acadamy, etc... And you would get 250 hour of turbine for that price. What's so bad about that??? I must be missing something. Just curious if anyone else saw the write up.

Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer (Post 93146)

ATP is not in that group. They offer an excellent training package for a fixed price. If you are interested in being an airline pilot give ATP a serious look.

-LAFF

Originally Posted by BURflyer (Post 93322)

Pay for training will not get you far, that's all you need to know.

Originally Posted by CTPILOT (Post 93342)

I agree fosters, though I am currently part time instructing while in school, I've looked into this "pay for training" gig, but after alot of negative things have forgotten about it, but I have seen alot of pilots that moved on doing it this way. Its turbine time yeah your flying pax around, but whatever and by the way when I am captain for an airline god knows when or how long it will be, I won't deny jumpseaters because they went to a flight school I did'nt like.

Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 93326)

I don't think so. ATP is one of the most overrated schools out there. They are WAY overpriced for what you get and on top of that they insult your intelligence by saying it's fixed price! Plus ATP has a very shady way of training their students and that is why many don't like them. They train people, who have barely learned how to fly a 172, the airline procedures. When I asked them about the program, the guy on the phone actually said we already know that you can fly, our philosophy is can you fly with 2 people and have good CRM :eek: :eek:

Originally Posted by G2TT (Post 93193)

That's the problem right there. 121 flying with passengers is not a training environment. People are paying money to get to their destinations with pro. pilots flying them, not one Pro. pilot/flight instructor and one student. I know there is a fine line between student and new hire these days, but GIA doesn't even attempt to blur it. One captain, and one student. Inapropriate.

Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 93326)

I don't think so. ATP is one of the most overrated schools out there. They are WAY overpriced for what you get and on top of that they insult your intelligence by saying it's fixed price! Plus ATP has a very shady way of training their students and that is why many don't like them. They train people, who have barely learned how to fly a 172, the airline procedures. When I asked them about the program, the guy on the phone actually said we already know that you can fly, our philosophy is can you fly with 2 people and have good CRM :eek: :eek: