Gulfstream Write Up in Plane & Pilot
12-18-2006 | 06:16 AM
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Oldschooler... I am a business owner so I am the boss. 
I've had my own business for 4 1/2 years.
You could look at going to Gulfstream/ATP/JET U just like going to college. I went to college, paid 100k for 4 years, got a job out of school doing software engineering but only made 40k. Sounds a lot like going to a flight school (again Gulfstream/ATP/etc...) by paying your 25k for training and time building, you get hired and make 20-25k. I don't see much difference.
As for some of the other posters, I think it's pathetic that you wouldn't let someone "jumpseat" on YOUR (last time I checked you don't own the airplane or pay the bills) airplane just because they went to a flight school that your not a big fan of. Just my observation.
I've had my own business for 4 1/2 years. You could look at going to Gulfstream/ATP/JET U just like going to college. I went to college, paid 100k for 4 years, got a job out of school doing software engineering but only made 40k. Sounds a lot like going to a flight school (again Gulfstream/ATP/etc...) by paying your 25k for training and time building, you get hired and make 20-25k. I don't see much difference.
As for some of the other posters, I think it's pathetic that you wouldn't let someone "jumpseat" on YOUR (last time I checked you don't own the airplane or pay the bills) airplane just because they went to a flight school that your not a big fan of. Just my observation.
12-18-2006 | 08:13 AM
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12-18-2006 | 08:27 AM
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Anyone see the write up in Plane & Pilot magazine this month? They did a full write up on the flight school/ airline. I am not an airline pilot but I have seen all the hate threads about Gulfstream. I have to be honest though, I still don't see what is so bad about them. You pay about the same price as you would going to ATP, Delta Acadamy, etc... And you would get 250 hour of turbine for that price. What's so bad about that??? I must be missing something. Just curious if anyone else saw the write up.
Come on are you serious? I'm going to assume that this a real question and you're not trying to find reasons to go there. Pay for training will not get you far, that's all you need to know. Keep your nose clean, avoid pay for training places and avoid places that promise you anything. I'd even look at places like ATP or Delta Academy with a grain of salt. I've heard mix things especially about ATP about kids who should have no business being in a cockpit.
12-18-2006 | 08:39 AM
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12-18-2006 | 09:00 AM
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100% not true. People who did it "back in the day" when the likes of Comair and COEX were doing it have moved on. People who do it today at places like Gulfstream move on. Stop trying to scare people into not doing it instead of educating them why they shouldn't do it.
12-18-2006 | 09:17 AM
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I agree fosters, though I am currently part time instructing while in school, I've looked into this "pay for training" gig, but after alot of negative things have forgotten about it, but I have seen alot of pilots that moved on doing it this way. Its turbine time yeah your flying pax around, but whatever and by the way IF I am captain for an airline god knows when or how long it will be, I won't deny jumpseaters because they went to a flight school I did'nt like.
Oh and some people complain about ATP, DCA e.t.c what is the best flight school then?
Oh and some people complain about ATP, DCA e.t.c what is the best flight school then?
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12-18-2006 | 09:19 AM
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I agree fosters, though I am currently part time instructing while in school, I've looked into this "pay for training" gig, but after alot of negative things have forgotten about it, but I have seen alot of pilots that moved on doing it this way. Its turbine time yeah your flying pax around, but whatever and by the way when I am captain for an airline god knows when or how long it will be, I won't deny jumpseaters because they went to a flight school I did'nt like.
12-18-2006 | 09:20 AM
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I don't think so. ATP is one of the most overrated schools out there. They are WAY overpriced for what you get and on top of that they insult your intelligence by saying it's fixed price! Plus ATP has a very shady way of training their students and that is why many don't like them. They train people, who have barely learned how to fly a 172, the airline procedures. When I asked them about the program, the guy on the phone actually said we already know that you can fly, our philosophy is can you fly with 2 people and have good CRM
12-18-2006 | 10:33 AM
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That's the problem right there. 121 flying with passengers is not a training environment. People are paying money to get to their destinations with pro. pilots flying them, not one Pro. pilot/flight instructor and one student. I know there is a fine line between student and new hire these days, but GIA doesn't even attempt to blur it. One captain, and one student. Inapropriate.
12-18-2006 | 10:35 AM
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I don't think so. ATP is one of the most overrated schools out there. They are WAY overpriced for what you get and on top of that they insult your intelligence by saying it's fixed price! Plus ATP has a very shady way of training their students and that is why many don't like them. They train people, who have barely learned how to fly a 172, the airline procedures. When I asked them about the program, the guy on the phone actually said we already know that you can fly, our philosophy is can you fly with 2 people and have good CRM
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