Eagle AIP is alive again.
03-12-2014 | 07:54 PM
#102
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But if we say we do, if we give them everything they could possibly want in their wildest dreams, then basically no one will show up for this silliness anymore-- new pilots already have stopped showing up, and current pilots are leaving by the bushel. At XJT we have senior management asking (pleading?) for pilots to fly extra, because they have no present solution other than said pleading.
If the managements get what they want, they're the ones who are completely screwed, which is perfectly fine with me. They fail at that point, and the career joke is over. It is the backward logic of all of this that fails any test of intellectual review. It makes almost no sense, other than concessions are management's first, most stupid, most uncreative option for all problems. If they set contracts so far backward and so low that they cannot sustain the minimum required level of voluntary employment, then fine, game on. If there is no reason to show up, no one will. XJT management has no plan whatsoever for hiring or retention and Eagle management is trying to fool their people into a false belief of career advancement in exchange for surrender.
None of it works until a real career path is established, which is what none of these companies has done. Eagle may be closest, but not truly there yet. Eagle guys are closer to AA seniority numbers (today, not a flow-thru promise) than they yet realize. That should be the goal.
If the managements get what they want, they're the ones who are completely screwed, which is perfectly fine with me. They fail at that point, and the career joke is over. It is the backward logic of all of this that fails any test of intellectual review. It makes almost no sense, other than concessions are management's first, most stupid, most uncreative option for all problems. If they set contracts so far backward and so low that they cannot sustain the minimum required level of voluntary employment, then fine, game on. If there is no reason to show up, no one will. XJT management has no plan whatsoever for hiring or retention and Eagle management is trying to fool their people into a false belief of career advancement in exchange for surrender.
None of it works until a real career path is established, which is what none of these companies has done. Eagle may be closest, but not truly there yet. Eagle guys are closer to AA seniority numbers (today, not a flow-thru promise) than they yet realize. That should be the goal.
03-13-2014 | 06:36 AM
#103
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Thus, how do you propose management to improve this career?
Seems to me the PILOTS are the one killing their own young and blaming it on management. I could be wrong. But I have yet to hear talks from senior pilots giving up money for the new people (which I KNOW will NEVER happen).
03-13-2014 | 06:53 AM
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My understanding is that pay and benefits are negotiated by the pilot union. I also understand that the top pilots will not give the new pilots a pay hike to the tune of double or triple current rates.
Thus, how do you propose management to improve this career?
Seems to me the PILOTS are the one killing their own young and blaming it on management. I could be wrong. But I have yet to hear talks from senior pilots giving up money for the new people (which I KNOW will NEVER happen).
Thus, how do you propose management to improve this career?
Seems to me the PILOTS are the one killing their own young and blaming it on management. I could be wrong. But I have yet to hear talks from senior pilots giving up money for the new people (which I KNOW will NEVER happen).
The airlines are just at the very leading edge of a shortage of willing or able pilots, just imagine how things might look in about 6 years when it is predicted we will be at the peak of the problem.
This bears repeating- there is nobody in the pipeline and that's where the real issue is.
In six years the regional airlines might not even exist. They only exist today so major airlines can farm out some work to B scale employees (you). Once there is no financial benefit for doing that, those airplanes and routes will be reabsorbed.
So are pilots killing their own profession? Well they sure aren't helping it. But if senior regional pilots want to keep on flying, they are going to need more junior pilots to sit next to them in that other seat.
03-13-2014 | 08:33 AM
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The lazy will vote yes. Too lazy to go through the process to interview. Too lazy to lose a few pounds to appear presentable. Too lazy to prepare and study.
They can keep their flow. It's smoke and mirrors. I'll go get my own job.
Until then, SHOW ME THE MONEY.
The lazy will vote yes. Too lazy to go through the process to interview. Too lazy to lose a few pounds to appear presentable. Too lazy to prepare and study.
They can keep their flow. It's smoke and mirrors. I'll go get my own job.
Until then, SHOW ME THE MONEY.
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